Black widow or fake

wworker · 07-14-2007, 08:35 PM

I thought black widow lugers started in 1942.

Here's a link to an auction that wasn't bid on too much.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=75538507

Edward Tinker · 07-14-2007, 08:43 PM

Two statements:

1) There is no seperate black widow variation, so hard to say when it started...

2) There might be a considered black widow "type" by collectors, but I did not know there was a distinct date?

Ed

PS: In the FAq it states;
22) Black grips first came out when?

The black plastic grips did not come out until June of 1941 to the best of my knowledge, so anything before is a replacement. There were NO original black plastic grips issued with a 1940 Luger. No black plastic bases either, as they are all replacements when found with these models -- or have been added lately.

MikeP · 07-15-2007, 02:01 PM

"Black Widow" is a marketing term which appeared years ago to describe what was then considered sort of "last ditch" non-collectable lugers.
It has been rumored to have been spawned in Arizona.
Many feel it described the BYF 41's with black grips and mag bottoms.

Lugerdoc · 07-16-2007, 08:43 AM

As has been mentioned above, some BP grips were used as replacements late in the war. I once picked up a WW1 Erfurt PO8 that was liberated by a WW2 vet with early brown plastic Kreighoff grips. TH

07-14-2007, 08:35 PM	#1
wworker User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Black widow or fake I thought black widow lugers started in 1942. Here's a link to an auction that wasn't bid on too much. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=75538507

07-16-2007, 08:43 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	As has been mentioned above, some BP grips were used as replacements late in the war. I once picked up a WW1 Erfurt PO8 that was liberated by a WW2 vet with early brown plastic Kreighoff grips. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-14-2007, 08:43 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Two statements: 1) There is no seperate black widow variation, so hard to say when it started... 2) There might be a considered black widow "type" by collectors, but I did not know there was a distinct date? Ed PS: In the FAq it states; 22) Black grips first came out when? The black plastic grips did not come out until June of 1941 to the best of my knowledge, so anything before is a replacement. There were NO original black plastic grips issued with a 1940 Luger. No black plastic bases either, as they are all replacements when found with these models -- or have been added lately.

07-15-2007, 02:01 PM	#3
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	"Black Widow" is a marketing term which appeared years ago to describe what was then considered sort of "last ditch" non-collectable lugers. It has been rumored to have been spawned in Arizona. Many feel it described the BYF 41's with black grips and mag bottoms.