police luger

Carl · 05-27-2007, 05:36 PM

1917 1920 DWM, sn 9690m with struck out numbers and heel toe markings of S.P.L

Carl

Carl · 05-27-2007, 05:38 PM

picture 2

Carl · 05-27-2007, 05:41 PM

full left

Carl · 05-27-2007, 05:44 PM

barrel marking (note Dwight, it is not a PTV marking, this is what I saw (ed)

policeluger · 05-27-2007, 07:22 PM

what are the chamber date/dates, is it DWM or Erfurt.....thanks for sharing.

Edward Tinker · 05-27-2007, 07:55 PM

See above

I am at Carls house, it is a 1917 / 1920, I "think" originally a erfurt, but has a DWM toggle. I am trying to convince Carl to give it to me as a birthday present.

Ed

Ron Wood · 05-27-2007, 08:59 PM

Quote:

I "think" originally a erfurt

Could be, but it sure looks like a DWM receiver to me.

Carl · 05-27-2007, 09:04 PM

Thanks Ron (this is Ed on Carls PC), with the artillery cut out, I was thinking it might be an Erfurt. (plus it has a crown RC)

ed

Dwight Gruber · 05-28-2007, 03:26 AM

It would be useful to see closeups of the left forward part of the gun, marks on the right barrel, marks on the bottom of the barrel (including the witness mark), the front of the frame and the trigger guard, the left and right sides of the breechblock, and the top of the toggle train. I am also curious to see the two matching marks (c/N, I understand) on the right frame and receiver.

The receiver proof is definitely a DWM-style proof eagle. From the pictures posted so far, this appears to be an Erfurt frame and a DWM LP-08 receiver with an Erfurt barrel--or possibly an armory spare barrel. I'm really looking forward to other pictures--this kind of puzzle gun really whets my interest and is a terrific exercise in observation.

It occurs to me to wonder, in an offhand way, if there is a number on the back of the frame above the lanyard staple?

--Dwight

Heinz · 05-28-2007, 08:41 AM

The TSS acceptance stamps on the reciever would be a strong indication of a DWM 1917 reciever. The crown RC does rarely show up on a DWM.

Dwight Gruber · 05-28-2007, 09:17 AM

I base my preliminary identification of the barrel as Erfurt in origin as the c/RC is above an inspector's stamp, not present on DWM at all. Of the 10 c/RC marked DWM reported to me, none are marked on the barrel.

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 05-28-2007, 09:43 AM

I am at home now; here is a few othe pictures I took;

Close left

Close right

Barrel left side

Barrel right side

unmatching, but not common eagle L magazine that came with this bring back

dirtmover · 01-18-2009, 03:50 PM

I have a 1917-1920 model from the same police
dept. heal stamped with S.P.L. how interesting.
Mine is in about the same condition. At first I thought it was
mine till I checked SL#.
I believe it came from Leipzig Police dept.(so I am told)

Don M · 01-18-2009, 08:03 PM

dirtmover,

For my database, I would appreciate knowing the serial number (+suffix) and the canceled S.L.Pol. marking of your pistol.

dirtmover · 01-19-2009, 11:54 PM

Don M.
SL# 6508 . No other unit markings other than the " S.P. over L. " just like the one pictured
above. There are no cancellation marks. ( no markings at all for that matter.)
Mine has mostly the same appearance as the one pictured above.
My question to you is : Is this from Leipzig P.D.? as I was told? If so, would there be any
records on it?
The only history I have of my weapon is that is was given to my father by a man that
came back from WWII. I do not know if it was during or just after.
Anything would be appreciated thank-you.
I will post some pics. after I take some. ( have to take some new ones)

Don M · 01-20-2009, 09:07 AM

dirtmover,

You are correct that the marking is from the SÃ?Â¤chsiche Polizei Leipzig, the state police in Leipzig. I know of no records of individual Saxon weapons.

It's uncommon that one of these does not have an earlier canceled S.L.Pol. grip strap marking. Perhaps the one on yours was ground off. Is the pistol a DWM and does it have a sear safety?

dirtmover · 01-22-2009, 12:30 AM

Don,
I am most certain that the numbers have not been ground off.
As far as the cear safety go's, I don't think it has one.
Is there one pictured above?
I have to take new pics. of mine. The last ones I took must have been too big. I was unable to upload them last night.
They will be here soon.
Thanks.

Edward Tinker · 01-22-2009, 09:06 AM

A sear safety is the litle dog leg above. not all police lugers received them, although many did.

alanint · 01-22-2009, 09:14 AM

I believe the large picture of the sideplate Dirtmover placed above clearly shows a sear safety at the top of the photo....

Edward Tinker · 01-22-2009, 09:36 AM

PICTURES NEED TO BE POSTED HERE ON THE FORUM, NOT OFF SITE.

Several reasons for this;

1. Many firewalls block "hosting" sites.
2. myself and John Sabato can not see them...
3. Taking folks from a secure site like this to a unknown webhosting site is a security risk that we beleive should not be acceptable.

So, if there are photos, I can't see them....

05-27-2007, 05:36 PM	#1
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	police luger 1917 1920 DWM, sn 9690m with struck out numbers and heel toe markings of S.P.L Carl Attached Thumbnails

05-27-2007, 05:38 PM	#2
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	picture 2 Attached Thumbnails

05-27-2007, 05:41 PM	#3
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	full left Attached Thumbnails

05-27-2007, 05:44 PM	#4
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	barrel marking (note Dwight, it is not a PTV marking, this is what I saw (ed) Attached Thumbnails

05-27-2007, 07:55 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	See above I am at Carls house, it is a 1917 / 1920, I "think" originally a erfurt, but has a DWM toggle. I am trying to convince Carl to give it to me as a birthday present. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-27-2007, 07:22 PM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	what are the chamber date/dates, is it DWM or Erfurt.....thanks for sharing.

05-27-2007, 09:04 PM	#8
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Ron (this is Ed on Carls PC), with the artillery cut out, I was thinking it might be an Erfurt. (plus it has a crown RC) ed

05-28-2007, 03:26 AM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	It would be useful to see closeups of the left forward part of the gun, marks on the right barrel, marks on the bottom of the barrel (including the witness mark), the front of the frame and the trigger guard, the left and right sides of the breechblock, and the top of the toggle train. I am also curious to see the two matching marks (c/N, I understand) on the right frame and receiver. The receiver proof is definitely a DWM-style proof eagle. From the pictures posted so far, this appears to be an Erfurt frame and a DWM LP-08 receiver with an Erfurt barrel--or possibly an armory spare barrel. I'm really looking forward to other pictures--this kind of puzzle gun really whets my interest and is a terrific exercise in observation. It occurs to me to wonder, in an offhand way, if there is a number on the back of the frame above the lanyard staple? --Dwight

05-28-2007, 08:41 AM	#10
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	The TSS acceptance stamps on the reciever would be a strong indication of a DWM 1917 reciever. The crown RC does rarely show up on a DWM.

05-28-2007, 09:17 AM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	I base my preliminary identification of the barrel as Erfurt in origin as the c/RC is above an inspector's stamp, not present on DWM at all. Of the 10 c/RC marked DWM reported to me, none are marked on the barrel. --Dwight

05-28-2007, 09:43 AM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	I am at home now; here is a few othe pictures I took; Close left Close right Barrel left side Barrel right side unmatching, but not common eagle L magazine that came with this bring back

01-18-2009, 03:50 PM	#13
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a 1917-1920 model from the same police dept. heal stamped with S.P.L. how interesting. Mine is in about the same condition. At first I thought it was mine till I checked SL#. I believe it came from Leipzig Police dept.(so I am told)

01-18-2009, 08:03 PM	#14
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	dirtmover, For my database, I would appreciate knowing the serial number (+suffix) and the canceled S.L.Pol. marking of your pistol. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-19-2009, 11:54 PM	#15
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don M. SL# 6508 . No other unit markings other than the " S.P. over L. " just like the one pictured above. There are no cancellation marks. ( no markings at all for that matter.) Mine has mostly the same appearance as the one pictured above. My question to you is : Is this from Leipzig P.D.? as I was told? If so, would there be any records on it? The only history I have of my weapon is that is was given to my father by a man that came back from WWII. I do not know if it was during or just after. Anything would be appreciated thank-you. I will post some pics. after I take some. ( have to take some new ones)

01-20-2009, 09:07 AM	#16
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	dirtmover, You are correct that the marking is from the SÃ?Â¤chsiche Polizei Leipzig, the state police in Leipzig. I know of no records of individual Saxon weapons. It's uncommon that one of these does not have an earlier canceled S.L.Pol. grip strap marking. Perhaps the one on yours was ground off. Is the pistol a DWM and does it have a sear safety? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-22-2009, 12:30 AM	#17
dirtmover User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don, I am most certain that the numbers have not been ground off. As far as the cear safety go's, I don't think it has one. Is there one pictured above? I have to take new pics. of mine. The last ones I took must have been too big. I was unable to upload them last night. They will be here soon. Thanks.

01-22-2009, 09:06 AM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	A sear safety is the litle dog leg above. not all police lugers received them, although many did. Attached Images __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-22-2009, 09:14 AM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I believe the large picture of the sideplate Dirtmover placed above clearly shows a sear safety at the top of the photo....

01-22-2009, 09:36 AM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	PICTURES NEED TO BE POSTED HERE ON THE FORUM, NOT OFF SITE. Several reasons for this; 1. Many firewalls block "hosting" sites. 2. myself and John Sabato can not see them... 3. Taking folks from a secure site like this to a unknown webhosting site is a security risk that we beleive should not be acceptable. So, if there are photos, I can't see them....