Luger tool ID

MarkC · 04-01-2007, 08:27 AM

Gentlemen,

I recently bought several loading tools at an auction for a very good price. Can you help me ID some of them?

Is the middle tool the small, medium or large e/63? I think the top tool is for a police gun?

Also, how much is an e/135 tool worth in average conditon?

Thanks!

Mark

GerColctor · 04-06-2007, 07:19 PM

Mark

Never seen a Luger tool with that style of eagle shown over the 484. The acceptance marks always looked like your second photo of the stick eagle over the number.

Joe

MarkC · 04-06-2007, 09:07 PM

Hmmm...

I'm not sure, I got it from a collectoter in Norway from their stocks of guns.

Best,

Mark

RockinWR · 04-07-2007, 12:17 AM

Hi Mark,
* The "484." looks Weimar period correct; but, I don't know what a Nazi Proof Eagle would be doing on a loading tool unless this one goes bang!!

* The sE/63 would likely be for a 1937-1938 Mauser P.08. If sE/83; then, 1938.

* I'll leave the last one up to Don Maus, Ron Smith, or others more familiar with unit marking.

* Hope this helps...somewhat.
Respectfully,

Bob

GerColctor · 04-09-2007, 07:34 PM

Bob

Would there be a period after the 3 diget number on that tool? That number, 484 appears from the photo the only numbers on it, also no letters indicating a unit marking. If it is a Weimar police serial number to a Luger, there would be no period.

Just curious, as I own a few of Weimar police numbered tools and none have a period.

Joe

RockinWR · 04-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Hi Joe,
* You may be right judging from your profile interest. I suspect you've handled a good deal more of these than I may have ever payed notice to.
* However, I think you can find the number with and without a period after the marking based on the energy/discipline/attention of the individual armorer applying the mark.
* For instance, tools appear both ways in J. Still's, Weimar Luger, Pg. 180. Jan's, Imperial Luger, Pg. 87 shows the period after the inventory number; but, shows a full unit number as well. Gortz & Bryan's, GSAM, Pg. 76 depicting the location of markings per the 1924 H.Dv. 464 instructions, shows the period after the number. Take your pick.
* I was going w/ the general appearance of Mark's first tool picture wherein the period seems to have been struck contempoary with the numeric portion of the marking. The E/S PROOF appears added at a later time. I think much later than the WWII era, IMHO.
* Trust this helps.

MarkC · 04-09-2007, 09:06 PM

Bob and Joe,

I got the tool from a collector in Norway who said it came from their stock of Luger pistols. It was a short money purchase ... $50. I am by no means an expert on loading tools ... hope this helps out.

If you think it was "enhanced", I'll go with that .. but I didn't pay for the addtional eagle, I thought it was police marked? Could be wrong ... stamps are easy to come by ... ???

Best,

Mark

GerColctor · 04-10-2007, 08:46 PM

Rockin

I check the book on Weimar Lugers and your correct, there are police number tools that have a period after the number. I just have never personally seen one marked like that, but the pictures tell the real story. Should have gone directly to the Weimar book, rather then just checking my inventory of tools.

Thank you for taking the time to reference the page numbers in the book.

Your correct about the eagle being post war.
Joe

pillboxesghost · 04-11-2007, 07:15 PM

You might call Simpson's to find out what the few they have left are going for. They no longer advertise this marking as available on the site.

Not that I feel their pricing is an accurate indication of what a particular item will/should bring. I think they were quoting $200 for an e/135 tool six weeks or so back. AIR, they had a good supply 6-8 months ago and the price was then $85.

About a month back, I paid $125 for a really nice e/135 tool from another collector. Don't necessarily want (or need) a second for that price!

MarkC · 04-11-2007, 07:42 PM

Jon,

Thanks for the information on pricing for the loading tool, I know they are hard to find.

Mark

04-01-2007, 08:27 AM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Luger tool ID Gentlemen, I recently bought several loading tools at an auction for a very good price. Can you help me ID some of them? Is the middle tool the small, medium or large e/63? I think the top tool is for a police gun? Also, how much is an e/135 tool worth in average conditon? Thanks! Mark

04-06-2007, 07:19 PM	#2
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	Mark Never seen a Luger tool with that style of eagle shown over the 484. The acceptance marks always looked like your second photo of the stick eagle over the number. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

04-09-2007, 07:34 PM	#5
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	Bob Would there be a period after the 3 diget number on that tool? That number, 484 appears from the photo the only numbers on it, also no letters indicating a unit marking. If it is a Weimar police serial number to a Luger, there would be no period. Just curious, as I own a few of Weimar police numbered tools and none have a period. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

04-10-2007, 08:46 PM	#8
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	Rockin I check the book on Weimar Lugers and your correct, there are police number tools that have a period after the number. I just have never personally seen one marked like that, but the pictures tell the real story. Should have gone directly to the Weimar book, rather then just checking my inventory of tools. Thank you for taking the time to reference the page numbers in the book. Your correct about the eagle being post war. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

04-11-2007, 07:15 PM	#9
pillboxesghost User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Coastal NC Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"Worth" of e/135 Tool You might call Simpson's to find out what the few they have left are going for. They no longer advertise this marking as available on the site. Not that I feel their pricing is an accurate indication of what a particular item will/should bring. I think they were quoting $200 for an e/135 tool six weeks or so back. AIR, they had a good supply 6-8 months ago and the price was then $85. About a month back, I paid $125 for a really nice e/135 tool from another collector. Don't necessarily want (or need) a second for that price! __________________ Jon Lewis

04-06-2007, 09:07 PM	#3
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Hmmm... I'm not sure, I got it from a collectoter in Norway from their stocks of guns. Best, Mark

04-07-2007, 12:17 AM	#4
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Hi Mark, * The "484." looks Weimar period correct; but, I don't know what a Nazi Proof Eagle would be doing on a loading tool unless this one goes bang!! * The sE/63 would likely be for a 1937-1938 Mauser P.08. If sE/83; then, 1938. * I'll leave the last one up to Don Maus, Ron Smith, or others more familiar with unit marking. * Hope this helps...somewhat. Respectfully, Bob

04-09-2007, 08:57 PM	#6
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Hi Joe, * You may be right judging from your profile interest. I suspect you've handled a good deal more of these than I may have ever payed notice to. * However, I think you can find the number with and without a period after the marking based on the energy/discipline/attention of the individual armorer applying the mark. * For instance, tools appear both ways in J. Still's, Weimar Luger, Pg. 180. Jan's, Imperial Luger, Pg. 87 shows the period after the inventory number; but, shows a full unit number as well. Gortz & Bryan's, GSAM, Pg. 76 depicting the location of markings per the 1924 H.Dv. 464 instructions, shows the period after the number. Take your pick. * I was going w/ the general appearance of Mark's first tool picture wherein the period seems to have been struck contempoary with the numeric portion of the marking. The E/S PROOF appears added at a later time. I think much later than the WWII era, IMHO. * Trust this helps.

04-09-2007, 09:06 PM	#7
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Bob and Joe, I got the tool from a collector in Norway who said it came from their stock of Luger pistols. It was a short money purchase ... $50. I am by no means an expert on loading tools ... hope this helps out. If you think it was "enhanced", I'll go with that .. but I didn't pay for the addtional eagle, I thought it was police marked? Could be wrong ... stamps are easy to come by ... ??? Best, Mark

04-11-2007, 07:42 PM	#10
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Jon, Thanks for the information on pricing for the loading tool, I know they are hard to find. Mark