my new gun

lboos · 01-24-2007, 06:08 PM

im new to lugers, i bought my 1st one last weekend at a gun show. it,s got 1936 and S/42 on top all # match except the mag. it look,s to be 95% org. finish. the strawed parts look about 90%. ser.# 1101 but under the 1101 it looks like it might have been a j.[ german j] that is as close as it looks? maybe holster wear? im sorry i dont know how to post a pi,c. i would aper. any comments. thanks

Edward Tinker · 01-24-2007, 06:47 PM

sounds like a nice one!

send me the picture and i can post tonight,

weimar_lugers@comcast.net

Edward Tinker · 01-25-2007, 12:21 PM

Pictures added for Louis;

I think the suffix is a "r", other opinions?

ed

MFC · 01-25-2007, 12:35 PM

It's a lower case (p). I have a luger with a (p) suffix and had the same problem identifying it, and of course the members here helped straighten me out. I'm glad I was able to help you. What comes around goes around.
Mike C.

PS> Go to Research Archives: Military Lugers: examples of suffixes

lboos · 01-25-2007, 06:48 PM

the more i stare at it, it does look a lot like a lower case [p] with the top missing. you think maybe just a bad stamp? it does not look like it was worn off as the org. blueing is still there, it was stamped on a rounded part of the gun. i went to research military lugers and put in [p] and search, and it came back p= ruhstahl brackwede. what ever that means? thanks for everyones help. this is great. LB

DaveinTN · 01-25-2007, 07:00 PM

Way to go! Looks like a "keeper!"

Get on Youtube and check out the series of short Luger instructional videos posted by shadowdog500. They'll really help you and your new Luger get better acquainted.

Dave in TN.

PS: Be wary of the video that covers removal of the magazine release spring... The top of the spring should slide to the rear. Do a search in the forum for the correct method to remove it.

lboos · 01-25-2007, 07:23 PM

DaveinTN. thanks for your responce, i will take your advice. im kinda new to this computer thing and lugers but im learning, mostley right here on this forum. a great bunch of folk,s. LB. in GA.

DaveinTN · 01-25-2007, 11:20 PM

Louis,

I bought my first Luger here on the forum less than three months ago. Maybe I'm still on the "honeymoon" but I do get a lot of satisfaction from my pistol.

What I did in the beginning was take it down (apart) just a little more each time. That way I became more and more familiar with its construction and assembly.

I also got a can of "Breakfree CLP" and a supply of Qtips. Every time I would take the gun apart, I would clean out the nooks and crannies that hadn't been cleaned in many years.

If you take off the grips, BE REALLY CAREFUL! Don't try taking the grips off until you've seen the video on youtube or have read how to do it on the forum. I bought and installed a set of plastic grips that I keep on the gun (which I eventually intend to take to the range). For the time being, the original grips are "safe" in the safe.

Keep reading the forum. You have no idea the depth of knowledge that these guys have.... You'll learn stuff that you can't find in books!

Dave in TN.

MFC · 01-25-2007, 11:43 PM

Hi again lboos,
Your stamp does look like it's not deep on the top, but the picture you have of it between your knees looks better. The thing that confused me the most was that the loop of the (p) was not closed. Which is why I think we were both confused. I said the exact thing. I thought it could be an (r) also.
Click on the Message Board to the left, scroll down to Research Archives, click on Military Lugers and that will open a post of examples of suffixes. I wish I knew how to post a link to it here for you, like they did for me.
Mike C.

waltherguy · 01-26-2007, 12:43 AM

Looks like a really nice S/42 Louis! the straw looks really nice.. Love those strawed Mausers! Congrats on a great gun!

lboos · 01-26-2007, 11:46 AM

Thanks for all the comments, does anyone know why they quit useing the straw,d parts? was it more time consuming? or did it have to do with corrosion? or weaker metal? Thanks
I like that Marshal Erwin Rommel quote. LB.

shadow · 01-28-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaveinTN
Be wary of the video that covers removal of the magazine release spring... The top of the spring should slide to the rear. Do a search in the forum for the correct method to remove it.

I made a magazine release spring video.

magazine release spring video

I also removed that section from the detail strip video and reposted it here.

detail strip video

The clean and lube videos have been filmed and are being edited.

Chris

Dwight Gruber · 01-29-2007, 01:53 AM

Louis,

In 1937 Mauser changed from rust bluing, a time consuming and labor intensive process, to salt bluing, a quick and easy process. They began to blue the small parts at the same time--salt bluing taking less time and effort than strawing. It was entirely a time, efficiency, and money consideration.

--Dwight

DaveinTN · 01-29-2007, 02:35 PM

Great Job, Chris!

For those of us who are new to Lugers, you've done a great service helping to "demystify" taking the pistol apart and putting it back together again.

Many thanks,

Dave in TN.

lboos · 01-29-2007, 05:19 PM

Thanks Dwight,
I kinda thought it might be for all the reason,s you gave.
so the strawing was pretty much for looks only?

Dwight Gruber · 01-29-2007, 05:49 PM

The Parabellum pistol seems to have been designed with an esthetic sensibility beyond what was necessary for its function. To my mind--my eye--this is one of the reasons for its collector appeal. In this sense, yes, straw adds to the looks--the beauty, if you will--of the gun.

The straw process (and the fire-blue which was applied to springs, screws, front sight, etc.) is a heat treatment. The casual changeover from strawed parts to blued in 1937 suggests that this heat treatment was unnecessary for the actual durability of the parts, and thus strawing was a strictly esthetic consideration.

--Dwight

lboos · 01-29-2007, 09:36 PM

Dwight, thank you for your information. im new to lugers, and have learned a lot here, you guy,s know it all, it,s kinda like a class in 20th century History, thanks to folks like you and Ed.

01-24-2007, 06:08 PM	#1
lboos User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ga. Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	my new gun im new to lugers, i bought my 1st one last weekend at a gun show. it,s got 1936 and S/42 on top all # match except the mag. it look,s to be 95% org. finish. the strawed parts look about 90%. ser.# 1101 but under the 1101 it looks like it might have been a j.[ german j] that is as close as it looks? maybe holster wear? im sorry i dont know how to post a pi,c. i would aper. any comments. thanks

01-24-2007, 06:47 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	sounds like a nice one! send me the picture and i can post tonight, weimar_lugers@comcast.net __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-25-2007, 12:35 PM	#4
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	It's a lower case (p). I have a luger with a (p) suffix and had the same problem identifying it, and of course the members here helped straighten me out. I'm glad I was able to help you. What comes around goes around. Mike C. PS> Go to Research Archives: Military Lugers: examples of suffixes __________________ Mike C.

01-25-2007, 11:43 PM	#9
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi again lboos, Your stamp does look like it's not deep on the top, but the picture you have of it between your knees looks better. The thing that confused me the most was that the loop of the (p) was not closed. Which is why I think we were both confused. I said the exact thing. I thought it could be an (r) also. Click on the Message Board to the left, scroll down to Research Archives, click on Military Lugers and that will open a post of examples of suffixes. I wish I knew how to post a link to it here for you, like they did for me. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

01-26-2007, 12:43 AM	#10
waltherguy User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FL Posts: 201 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Looks like a really nice S/42 Louis! the straw looks really nice.. Love those strawed Mausers! Congrats on a great gun! __________________ "In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine" -Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

01-25-2007, 12:21 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Pictures added for Louis; I think the suffix is a "r", other opinions? ed

01-25-2007, 06:48 PM	#5
lboos User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ga. Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the more i stare at it, it does look a lot like a lower case [p] with the top missing. you think maybe just a bad stamp? it does not look like it was worn off as the org. blueing is still there, it was stamped on a rounded part of the gun. i went to research military lugers and put in [p] and search, and it came back p= ruhstahl brackwede. what ever that means? thanks for everyones help. this is great. LB

01-25-2007, 07:00 PM	#6
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Way to go! Looks like a "keeper!" Get on Youtube and check out the series of short Luger instructional videos posted by shadowdog500. They'll really help you and your new Luger get better acquainted. Dave in TN. PS: Be wary of the video that covers removal of the magazine release spring... The top of the spring should slide to the rear. Do a search in the forum for the correct method to remove it.

01-25-2007, 07:23 PM	#7
lboos User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ga. Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DaveinTN. thanks for your responce, i will take your advice. im kinda new to this computer thing and lugers but im learning, mostley right here on this forum. a great bunch of folk,s. LB. in GA.

01-25-2007, 11:20 PM	#8
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Louis, I bought my first Luger here on the forum less than three months ago. Maybe I'm still on the "honeymoon" but I do get a lot of satisfaction from my pistol. What I did in the beginning was take it down (apart) just a little more each time. That way I became more and more familiar with its construction and assembly. I also got a can of "Breakfree CLP" and a supply of Qtips. Every time I would take the gun apart, I would clean out the nooks and crannies that hadn't been cleaned in many years. If you take off the grips, BE REALLY CAREFUL! Don't try taking the grips off until you've seen the video on youtube or have read how to do it on the forum. I bought and installed a set of plastic grips that I keep on the gun (which I eventually intend to take to the range). For the time being, the original grips are "safe" in the safe. Keep reading the forum. You have no idea the depth of knowledge that these guys have.... You'll learn stuff that you can't find in books! Dave in TN.

01-26-2007, 11:46 AM	#11
lboos User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ga. Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the comments, does anyone know why they quit useing the straw,d parts? was it more time consuming? or did it have to do with corrosion? or weaker metal? Thanks I like that Marshal Erwin Rommel quote. LB.

01-29-2007, 01:53 AM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Louis, In 1937 Mauser changed from rust bluing, a time consuming and labor intensive process, to salt bluing, a quick and easy process. They began to blue the small parts at the same time--salt bluing taking less time and effort than strawing. It was entirely a time, efficiency, and money consideration. --Dwight

01-29-2007, 02:35 PM	#14
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Great Job, Chris! For those of us who are new to Lugers, you've done a great service helping to "demystify" taking the pistol apart and putting it back together again. Many thanks, Dave in TN.

01-29-2007, 05:19 PM	#15
lboos User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ga. Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Dwight, I kinda thought it might be for all the reason,s you gave. so the strawing was pretty much for looks only?

01-29-2007, 05:49 PM	#16
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	The Parabellum pistol seems to have been designed with an esthetic sensibility beyond what was necessary for its function. To my mind--my eye--this is one of the reasons for its collector appeal. In this sense, yes, straw adds to the looks--the beauty, if you will--of the gun. The straw process (and the fire-blue which was applied to springs, screws, front sight, etc.) is a heat treatment. The casual changeover from strawed parts to blued in 1937 suggests that this heat treatment was unnecessary for the actual durability of the parts, and thus strawing was a strictly esthetic consideration. --Dwight

01-29-2007, 09:36 PM	#17
lboos User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ga. Posts: 69 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, thank you for your information. im new to lugers, and have learned a lot here, you guy,s know it all, it,s kinda like a class in 20th century History, thanks to folks like you and Ed.