Unit I.D. Help.

lugerluser · 09-14-2006, 10:24 AM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/gun5_copy2.jpg
Can anyone help me with an I.D. For this. Thanks, Sean.....

John Sabato · 09-14-2006, 12:36 PM

Sean... can we see more of this gun. The number alone is not enough for a good judgement of the unit mark. It could be virtually any service... but the other marks should tell more of the story. BTW, are you gonna be around Winchester for lunch tomorrow?

lugerluser · 09-14-2006, 10:06 PM

If you look in the "new collectors forum" in the "i need help" entry. All the pix of the gun are there. Thanks. Sean.....

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2006, 10:21 PM

Ron Smith · 09-14-2006, 11:20 PM

Sean,

Don't believe it's a unit mark, but rather a rack number. Unit marks are found on the front grip strap, back grip strap, once in a while the side panel or even the chamber top.

Ron

lugerluser · 09-14-2006, 11:28 PM

Ron, so you are saying that it does not have a unit mark. Why? Was that normal? So i guess I can tell very little history from these markings. Is this true?
Thanks very much Ed & Ron for the help. Sean.....

Ron Smith · 09-15-2006, 09:39 AM

Sean,

I didn't see any marks in your photos other than the 1.N.4 on the rear of the frame. If this is the mark that you are referring to? Then no, it's not a unit mark. Possibly a Police or some other unit's rack number, I.D. number or inventory number.

I don't know of , nor can I find any plausible translation for this mark.

Ron

George Anderson · 09-15-2006, 09:50 AM

I would propose that the marking is located where it is and in the non standard form because it was applied as a provisional marking prior to the 1922 or 1923 Reichswehr directives. The meaning may be 1st Nachrichtenabteilung Waffen no. 4...First communications detachment, weapon four.

Ron Smith · 09-15-2006, 10:40 AM

Geo,

That's a possibility. Didn't think of a provisional marking. Good point.

Sean,

My apologies, I should have researched this a bit more thoroughly. Geo is correct. Getting drifty in my old age. I was looking for an Imperial unit mark. Didn't even consider Weimar markings.

I would be interested in this Luger if you should ever decide to sell it.

Ron

Ron Smith · 09-15-2006, 11:40 AM

Sean,

History on these support units is kind of scarce. Here are some photos of Nachrichten units.

Ron

the gunman · 09-15-2006, 04:16 PM

Still trying to figger out some of that equiptment on the middle photo. Very interesting.

lugerluser · 09-15-2006, 05:22 PM

Thanks for the info George! Lady's and gentleman, George Anderson is the man who was at the last Chantilly, Va. show, after telling him what i wanted, and not having it on his table, and seeing, i was not the most informed, he took 45 minutes of his time away from his table, to walk the show with me, to HELP ME FIND MY FIRST LUGER! He did a great job, and i am truly thankful! I lost George's card and have been asking around. I just had lunch today with John (Sabato) , (another great guy!) and asked him, he knew just who i was talking about. Thanks Guys, for all your help! Sean.....

Ron Smith · 09-15-2006, 10:20 PM

Richie,

I think it's a code lantern. I have seen something similar. It has different colored lenses to signal in color codes as well as signal flashes.

Ron

George Anderson · 09-19-2006, 04:36 PM

Sean, well I thought that the pistol's marking looked familiar, it's the pistol that you bought from Charlie Kaplan. A good buy.

lugerluser · 09-19-2006, 05:35 PM

Could not have done it without you! Thanks George!

09-14-2006, 10:24 AM	#1
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unit I.D. Help. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/gun5_copy2.jpg Can anyone help me with an I.D. For this. Thanks, Sean.....

09-14-2006, 12:36 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Sean... can we see more of this gun. The number alone is not enough for a good judgement of the unit mark. It could be virtually any service... but the other marks should tell more of the story. BTW, are you gonna be around Winchester for lunch tomorrow? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-14-2006, 10:06 PM	#3
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you look in the "new collectors forum" in the "i need help" entry. All the pix of the gun are there. Thanks. Sean..... __________________ "GOD IS!"

09-14-2006, 11:20 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Sean, Don't believe it's a unit mark, but rather a rack number. Unit marks are found on the front grip strap, back grip strap, once in a while the side panel or even the chamber top. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-14-2006, 11:28 PM	#6
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, so you are saying that it does not have a unit mark. Why? Was that normal? So i guess I can tell very little history from these markings. Is this true? Thanks very much Ed & Ron for the help. Sean..... __________________ "GOD IS!"

09-14-2006, 10:21 PM	#4
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09-15-2006, 09:39 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Sean, I didn't see any marks in your photos other than the 1.N.4 on the rear of the frame. If this is the mark that you are referring to? Then no, it's not a unit mark. Possibly a Police or some other unit's rack number, I.D. number or inventory number. I don't know of , nor can I find any plausible translation for this mark. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-15-2006, 09:50 AM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,530 Times in 787 Posts	I would propose that the marking is located where it is and in the non standard form because it was applied as a provisional marking prior to the 1922 or 1923 Reichswehr directives. The meaning may be 1st Nachrichtenabteilung Waffen no. 4...First communications detachment, weapon four.

09-15-2006, 10:40 AM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Geo, That's a possibility. Didn't think of a provisional marking. Good point. Sean, My apologies, I should have researched this a bit more thoroughly. Geo is correct. Getting drifty in my old age. I was looking for an Imperial unit mark. Didn't even consider Weimar markings. I would be interested in this Luger if you should ever decide to sell it. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-15-2006, 11:40 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Sean, History on these support units is kind of scarce. Here are some photos of Nachrichten units. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-15-2006, 04:16 PM	#11
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Still trying to figger out some of that equiptment on the middle photo. Very interesting.

09-15-2006, 05:22 PM	#12
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info George! Lady's and gentleman, George Anderson is the man who was at the last Chantilly, Va. show, after telling him what i wanted, and not having it on his table, and seeing, i was not the most informed, he took 45 minutes of his time away from his table, to walk the show with me, to HELP ME FIND MY FIRST LUGER! He did a great job, and i am truly thankful! I lost George's card and have been asking around. I just had lunch today with John (Sabato) , (another great guy!) and asked him, he knew just who i was talking about. Thanks Guys, for all your help! Sean..... __________________ "GOD IS!"

09-15-2006, 10:20 PM	#13
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Richie, I think it's a code lantern. I have seen something similar. It has different colored lenses to signal in color codes as well as signal flashes. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-19-2006, 04:36 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,530 Times in 787 Posts	Sean, well I thought that the pistol's marking looked familiar, it's the pistol that you bought from Charlie Kaplan. A good buy.

09-19-2006, 05:35 PM	#15
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could not have done it without you! Thanks George! __________________ "GOD IS!"