Arty purchase

fishman · 03-30-2006, 04:46 PM

Just signed up a few days ago. A lot of interesting topics. Any how, A luger is one firearm I dont own and a family member has owned an arty for 40-45 years. Have allways wanted one but am completely ignorant where to start looking. I live in the cleveland area so I hve my choice of two gun shows to go to. I would like to occasionly shoot it , but mostly just to enjoy the way it looks and the mechanisof it. I just think lugers are one of the most interesting handguns ever made. As far as price I informed my wife what i was looking for , gave her an idea, and she just rolled her eyes. She muttered under her breath about one more of my toys to sell when I kick the bucket Thanks,bob

Edward Tinker · 03-30-2006, 05:02 PM

Welcome to the forum bob!

Artillery's are fairly expensive, a shooter is $800-$1200 and then for a nicer one, $1700-$2500.

Gun shows will probably show you 1 or 2 a year, so it is better to look on-line and put in a wanted ad here on the forum.

Ed

fishman · 03-30-2006, 05:29 PM

Thanks for the info,good advice.When I finally get one ,I will put it with my 40 yr old Colt Python and my almost new in box S&W model 1955 .45 target revolver.Still shoot those also,bob

Navy · 03-30-2006, 05:41 PM

Welcome fishman.

Fellow Forum member and my good friend Keoki (George Anderson) is a long time Artillery collector and expert on this subspecies of pistola. He has a couple of extra pieces he is trying to move. Suggest you contact him at Keoki77@earthlink.net.

Tom A
Who needs a Thai Arty to complete my Arty collection.

Big Norm · 03-31-2006, 01:13 PM

Welcome Fishman,
If I was you, I would watch the internet and get familar with prices. Here is one that I was thinking about

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45874958

The stock looks phoney though and the side plate needs to be looked at. So don't get hung up on the stock. The bluing on the side plate looks a bit off but that could just be the photography. If I wasn't doing my taxes right now, I would run out to this guys place and take a look at it. My taxes have their priorities so I am going to pass on it.
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 03-31-2006, 01:48 PM

Tom,

What is a Thai arty...???

Same as the Siamese arty...with satay sauce spilled all over...

Revolvr · 03-31-2006, 05:25 PM

I agree with Big Norm, the side plate looks out of place with almost no blueing left. The extractor also looks out of character too with little blueing and no evident serial number.

The rear sight does not have the fine adjust - not necessarily a problem. But curious, when was the fine adjust removed from the rear sight?

-- Dan

Navy · 03-31-2006, 05:49 PM

Pete,

It is one to be enjoyed with Singha

Tom A

George Anderson · 03-31-2006, 07:04 PM

The pistol Norm posted appears to be totally legitimate except for the stock which is a repro. Sights are fine, 1917 saw the beginning of the phase out of the fine tune sights.

Big Norm · 03-31-2006, 08:58 PM

TomA,
"Singha"...thats what I do after too many Johnny Walker Blacks.
Big Norm

Big Norm · 03-31-2006, 09:32 PM

Revolvr,
you might be right about the extractor in picture #17. I looked at about 10 of my artilleries and I only found one that didn't have a serial number on the extractor and it was also a 1917. I know my gun is legit. Even two other 1917's of mine, a 1918, a Thai artillery and a bunch of others had serial numbers. Maybe a person on the German assembly line was doing some singing

and missed it.

Big Norm

<-- I'm singing!

Revolvr · 03-31-2006, 11:05 PM

I asked the seller some questions directly. I have some concerns I have not expressed here, so I asked for more specific photos.

Big Norm · 04-01-2006, 05:01 AM

Revolvr,
well, when this event is over and the gun is sold, let us know what your concerns are. The forums supposed to be a learning experience for people like Fishman. I don't think that I know the seller, but I may. I meet a lot of guys at local gun shows. There's a lot of silent Luger owners around here and I am sometimes surprised at what some guys have. Little hidden treasures.
Big Norm

Big Norm · 04-01-2006, 05:32 AM

Here is another Luger by someone unknown to me. New Hudson,Michigan is also near where I live. But I haven't the time to physically go out and take a look see.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45877243

It could be an interesting gun. Nice photography. I have to learn how to take pictures like that.
Big Norm

mauro · 04-01-2006, 01:14 PM

Hello Fishman,
Happy to see another LP08 enthusiast.
Maybe you can find additional information looking at my web site:

www.lugerlp08.com

Have a look....

Cheers,
Mauro

03-30-2006, 05:02 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Welcome to the forum bob! Artillery's are fairly expensive, a shooter is $800-$1200 and then for a nicer one, $1700-$2500. Gun shows will probably show you 1 or 2 a year, so it is better to look on-line and put in a wanted ad here on the forum. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-30-2006, 05:41 PM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Possible Source Welcome fishman. Fellow Forum member and my good friend Keoki (George Anderson) is a long time Artillery collector and expert on this subspecies of pistola. He has a couple of extra pieces he is trying to move. Suggest you contact him at Keoki77@earthlink.net. Tom A Who needs a Thai Arty to complete my Arty collection.

04-01-2006, 01:14 PM	#15
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Fishman, Happy to see another LP08 enthusiast. Maybe you can find additional information looking at my web site: www.lugerlp08.com Have a look.... Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

03-30-2006, 04:46 PM	#1
fishman New User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: cleveland area Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Arty purchase Just signed up a few days ago. A lot of interesting topics. Any how, A luger is one firearm I dont own and a family member has owned an arty for 40-45 years. Have allways wanted one but am completely ignorant where to start looking. I live in the cleveland area so I hve my choice of two gun shows to go to. I would like to occasionly shoot it , but mostly just to enjoy the way it looks and the mechanisof it. I just think lugers are one of the most interesting handguns ever made. As far as price I informed my wife what i was looking for , gave her an idea, and she just rolled her eyes. She muttered under her breath about one more of my toys to sell when I kick the bucket Thanks,bob

03-30-2006, 05:29 PM	#3
fishman New User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: cleveland area Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info,good advice.When I finally get one ,I will put it with my 40 yr old Colt Python and my almost new in box S&W model 1955 .45 target revolver.Still shoot those also,bob

03-31-2006, 01:13 PM	#5
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Welcome Fishman, If I was you, I would watch the internet and get familar with prices. Here is one that I was thinking about http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45874958 The stock looks phoney though and the side plate needs to be looked at. So don't get hung up on the stock. The bluing on the side plate looks a bit off but that could just be the photography. If I wasn't doing my taxes right now, I would run out to this guys place and take a look at it. My taxes have their priorities so I am going to pass on it. Big Norm

03-31-2006, 01:48 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Tom, What is a Thai arty...??? Same as the Siamese arty...with satay sauce spilled all over...

03-31-2006, 05:25 PM	#7
Revolvr User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 86 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree with Big Norm, the side plate looks out of place with almost no blueing left. The extractor also looks out of character too with little blueing and no evident serial number. The rear sight does not have the fine adjust - not necessarily a problem. But curious, when was the fine adjust removed from the rear sight? -- Dan

03-31-2006, 05:49 PM	#8
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pete, It is one to be enjoyed with Singha Tom A

03-31-2006, 07:04 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	The pistol Norm posted appears to be totally legitimate except for the stock which is a repro. Sights are fine, 1917 saw the beginning of the phase out of the fine tune sights.

03-31-2006, 08:58 PM	#10
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	TomA, "Singha"...thats what I do after too many Johnny Walker Blacks. Big Norm

03-31-2006, 09:32 PM	#11
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Revolvr, you might be right about the extractor in picture #17. I looked at about 10 of my artilleries and I only found one that didn't have a serial number on the extractor and it was also a 1917. I know my gun is legit. Even two other 1917's of mine, a 1918, a Thai artillery and a bunch of others had serial numbers. Maybe a person on the German assembly line was doing some singing and missed it. Big Norm <-- I'm singing!

03-31-2006, 11:05 PM	#12
Revolvr User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 86 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I asked the seller some questions directly. I have some concerns I have not expressed here, so I asked for more specific photos.

04-01-2006, 05:01 AM	#13
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Revolvr, well, when this event is over and the gun is sold, let us know what your concerns are. The forums supposed to be a learning experience for people like Fishman. I don't think that I know the seller, but I may. I meet a lot of guys at local gun shows. There's a lot of silent Luger owners around here and I am sometimes surprised at what some guys have. Little hidden treasures. Big Norm

04-01-2006, 05:32 AM	#14
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Here is another Luger by someone unknown to me. New Hudson,Michigan is also near where I live. But I haven't the time to physically go out and take a look see. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45877243 It could be an interesting gun. Nice photography. I have to learn how to take pictures like that. Big Norm