fxo mags Haneal process?

mm · 07-08-2001, 01:34 AM

Can someone direct me to a good source of info on how these magazines were made? How they differ from the sheet metal ones and why they were discontinued? Many thanks! mm

07-08-2001, 02:01 AM

I believe the "new" design was first patented by schmeisser in 1938. Indeed the early Haneal mags were stamped "Schmeisser Patent". Also the early haneal mags, (1939-1941) that were proofed "122" were stamped and formed and welded or brazed (according to Gortz) as the haneal factory did not have extrusion equipement. The later FXO mags (june 1941 onwards) were extruded and then the various post extrusion processes to trim, and form the feed lips, etc. were done. Both styles had different internals and bottoms than the preceeding sheetmetal mags.

The new design offered several improvements, a wider spring that provided more support to the follower. A central pin on the base that minimized the wobble and working of the base with usage, a one piece construction that, theoretically, was cheaper and stronger than the original design.

A good source is "Die Pistole 08" by Herr Joachim Gortz, pages 181 - 187... (in german.... TECHNICAL GERMAN)

GT is our resident mag expert and I assume he will correct and expand my brief explaination... but I hope this gives you a start on an answer... FGR

G.T. · 07-08-2001, 07:41 AM

Hello mm & fgr! That's a pretty good discreption of what we know about fxo mag's so far....one of the features of the Haenel type mag. (maybe the most important) is it's robust feed lips that are formed at the top. They are many times stronger then the sheetmetal mags in this area. Most all sheetmetal mag's show deformation or spreading in this area, as cartridge and spring pressure combine to hammer the lips straight! The Haenel type mag's retain their shape well through this abuse, although, thru extreme use or abuse the Haenel type will crack or fail on the rear spine at the feed lip area, and it to will become useless....it should be the first place you look when you are buying one of these mag's, as some attempt to weld and repair this failure with minimum success! Use the search feature to look for more info. use both Haenel (correct spelling) and Haneal (I've spelled it this way also!) to bring up the threads.....Till....later.....G.T.

mm · 07-08-2001, 12:29 PM

Thanks to both of you! mm

07-08-2001, 01:34 AM	#1
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07-08-2001, 02:01 AM	#2
fgr Guest Posts: n/a	Re: fxo mags Haneal process? I believe the "new" design was first patented by schmeisser in 1938. Indeed the early Haneal mags were stamped "Schmeisser Patent". Also the early haneal mags, (1939-1941) that were proofed "122" were stamped and formed and welded or brazed (according to Gortz) as the haneal factory did not have extrusion equipement. The later FXO mags (june 1941 onwards) were extruded and then the various post extrusion processes to trim, and form the feed lips, etc. were done. Both styles had different internals and bottoms than the preceeding sheetmetal mags. The new design offered several improvements, a wider spring that provided more support to the follower. A central pin on the base that minimized the wobble and working of the base with usage, a one piece construction that, theoretically, was cheaper and stronger than the original design. A good source is "Die Pistole 08" by Herr Joachim Gortz, pages 181 - 187... (in german.... TECHNICAL GERMAN) GT is our resident mag expert and I assume he will correct and expand my brief explaination... but I hope this gives you a start on an answer... FGR

07-08-2001, 07:41 AM	#3
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,523 Thanks: 1,321 Thanked 3,707 Times in 1,012 Posts	You've about got it covered!......... Hello mm & fgr! That's a pretty good discreption of what we know about fxo mag's so far....one of the features of the Haenel type mag. (maybe the most important) is it's robust feed lips that are formed at the top. They are many times stronger then the sheetmetal mags in this area. Most all sheetmetal mag's show deformation or spreading in this area, as cartridge and spring pressure combine to hammer the lips straight! The Haenel type mag's retain their shape well through this abuse, although, thru extreme use or abuse the Haenel type will crack or fail on the rear spine at the feed lip area, and it to will become useless....it should be the first place you look when you are buying one of these mag's, as some attempt to weld and repair this failure with minimum success! Use the search feature to look for more info. use both Haenel (correct spelling) and Haneal (I've spelled it this way also!) to bring up the threads.....Till....later.....G.T.

07-08-2001, 12:29 PM	#4
mm User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SFBAY Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: You've about got it covered!......... Thanks to both of you! mm