1917/1920 DWM police

jimmiej · 06-08-2005, 10:25 PM

Are Simson Eagle 6 marked magazines relatively rare and/or desirable? I seem to see many more extruded military type magazines for sale. Jim

drbuster · 06-09-2005, 07:28 PM

IMHO, YES to both questions!

jimmiej · 06-09-2005, 07:46 PM

Drbuster,
Thanks for the reply. I just got my first 2 Simsons with a double date unit marked police. They both have matching numbers to the luger. I think force matched. In addition they are both numbered 1. As soon as I get some time I will post pictures of the luger, holster, tool and magazines. Jim

jimmiej · 08-04-2005, 12:00 AM

Don M.
Here is the info on my police. DWM #2558f ( I think it is an "f" it is light and difficult to read. It has a sear safety intact. No mag safety. It came with 2 Eagle 6 Simson mags. Both mags serialed to the gun but both are numbered 1. It also came with a S.B.14329 marked holster made by A.Fischer Berlin C.2 1933 with a sunburst mark. Also the tool which I believe is a non matching police? The back is numbered 865. Let me know if you need something else. Jim

Don M · 08-04-2005, 12:27 AM

Jim,

Thanks very much for the information. Both the pistol and the holster are quite interesting.

The pistol is marked for the Schutzpolizei Muenster but it is evident that there was at least one earlier mark that was ground off. The canceled 53 is in a strange location and there are a number of extraneous periods floating around. Any chance of making out more of the earlier mark? The current mark is consistent with the 1932 marking orders. The earlier mark may have been in accordance with the 1922 orders, which specified more information.

The holster is from the Berlin Schutzpolizei. I don't have that number in my database, so it is a welcome addition. If you get AutoMag, you'll see where yours fits in with the others from my two-part article on the Berlin Schup marks to be published in August & September.

Thanks again for posting this data.

jimmiej · 08-04-2005, 12:44 AM

Don,
I forgot to mention this is on an artillery frame. It is obvious that there were other marks but I can't make any of them out. I looked inside the grip and nothing is visible there. The barrel is Crown N marked. I don't get automag but I would like to see your article. Jim

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2005, 01:01 AM

Jim, is it on a true artillery frame, or cut like an arty?

ed

jimmiej · 08-04-2005, 08:31 AM

The reciever is cut like an artillery. Jim

06-08-2005, 10:25 PM	#1
jimmiej User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88 Thanks: 16 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Simson Eagle 6 Are Simson Eagle 6 marked magazines relatively rare and/or desirable? I seem to see many more extruded military type magazines for sale. Jim

08-04-2005, 12:00 AM	#4
jimmiej User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88 Thanks: 16 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	1917/1920 DWM police Don M. Here is the info on my police. DWM #2558f ( I think it is an "f" it is light and difficult to read. It has a sear safety intact. No mag safety. It came with 2 Eagle 6 Simson mags. Both mags serialed to the gun but both are numbered 1. It also came with a S.B.14329 marked holster made by A.Fischer Berlin C.2 1933 with a sunburst mark. Also the tool which I believe is a non matching police? The back is numbered 865. Let me know if you need something else. Jim Attached Thumbnails

08-04-2005, 12:27 AM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Jim, Thanks very much for the information. Both the pistol and the holster are quite interesting. The pistol is marked for the Schutzpolizei Muenster but it is evident that there was at least one earlier mark that was ground off. The canceled 53 is in a strange location and there are a number of extraneous periods floating around. Any chance of making out more of the earlier mark? The current mark is consistent with the 1932 marking orders. The earlier mark may have been in accordance with the 1922 orders, which specified more information. The holster is from the Berlin Schutzpolizei. I don't have that number in my database, so it is a welcome addition. If you get AutoMag, you'll see where yours fits in with the others from my two-part article on the Berlin Schup marks to be published in August & September. Thanks again for posting this data. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

08-04-2005, 01:01 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,920 Thanks: 2,000 Thanked 4,511 Times in 2,083 Posts	Jim, is it on a true artillery frame, or cut like an arty? ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-09-2005, 07:28 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	IMHO, YES to both questions!

06-09-2005, 07:46 PM	#3
jimmiej User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88 Thanks: 16 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Drbuster, Thanks for the reply. I just got my first 2 Simsons with a double date unit marked police. They both have matching numbers to the luger. I think force matched. In addition they are both numbered 1. As soon as I get some time I will post pictures of the luger, holster, tool and magazines. Jim

08-04-2005, 12:44 AM	#6
jimmiej User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88 Thanks: 16 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Don, I forgot to mention this is on an artillery frame. It is obvious that there were other marks but I can't make any of them out. I looked inside the grip and nothing is visible there. The barrel is Crown N marked. I don't get automag but I would like to see your article. Jim

08-04-2005, 08:31 AM	#8
jimmiej User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88 Thanks: 16 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	The reciever is cut like an artillery. Jim