Treating holsters

wlyon · 06-11-2005, 12:14 PM

Over the years I have heard many discussions on whether or not to treat luger holsters. I have always treated mine, on a yearly basis with Pecard. I can not see any reason to not adequately protect the leather. They will certaintly last longer. What is the difference between these and old saddles or any other old leather?What do you think?

Navy · 06-11-2005, 01:14 PM

Pecards is petroleum based and will ruin leather. If you must use something, limit it to Connolly's hide Food, which can be obtained via the internet or at your neighborhood Jaguar/Rolls Royce dealership.

Tom A

lugerholsterrepair · 06-11-2005, 06:06 PM

GOD, If I hear of Pecard's one more time I am going to puke. This stuff is evil. I just got in a holster that was covered in this gooey waxy, sticky, slime. It took me four hours to clean it off, cooking it in the sun so it would pool and wiping it off. It will never come off completely. If you want to completely ruin a collectable holster either use Pecard's or
Neatsfoot oil.
Pecard's is developed for use on boots in icy slush. Or leather items in harsh rainy weather to repell water. I called Pecard's as did David Mclain and talked to them at length about their product. They DO NOT recommend it for antique leather! Pecard's denies EVER saying it's product was recommended by the Smithsonian for vintage leather as stated on some dealers web sites. This is an urban myth, like the black widow. Pure stupidity.
Any dealer who sells this waste product for use on vintage holsters is culpable of antique leather genocide.
It's my opinion I would never knowingly buy a holster that has had Pecard's applied to it. How could you not know it.
Tom is quite correct, Connoly's hide food is the best and I usually only use it on new made leather parts. It's better to use nothing on vintage holsters. Instead control the storage environment.

"I can not see any reason to not adequately protect the leather. They will certaintly last longer. What is the difference between these and old saddles or any other old leather?"

Protect it from what? You should be protecting it from people who would slap goo all over them.

What's the difference? The difference is, saddles, bridles and other horse gear is subjected to harsh wet weather and dirt. It is meant to be used abused and eventually wear out. Which it does. In the meantime it would be prudent to put Pecard's on it to repell water. This is OK on working leather that you will clean and maintain and will eventually wear out and be disposed of. Granted it might take a hundred years to do so.

Vintage collectable holsters are an entirely different case in point. One is ostensibly trying to preserve them forever. They need repell no water. They do not need treatment to repell water, This goo only soaks into the leather causing the leather fibers that are held together to slip and slide, losing their natural tension, hence the leather becomes mushy. This is really bad on a hardshell Luger holster.
I implore all the members to throw out this stuff.

Jerry Burney

wlyon · 06-11-2005, 07:56 PM

At 70 years old I think I just got a lesson. Actually I do not use much Pecard.Just a dab and wipe it off.I started using it on the advise of an old Colt collector. Obviously he was wrong.I for one will stop using it.Where can I get hide food? We do not have many Jaguar or Rolls dealers in Montana? Thanks for the response. Guess I just lost a place to sell holsters. Darn.

Don M · 06-11-2005, 07:58 PM

Tell me, Jerry, what do you really think about Pecard's?

lew1 · 06-11-2005, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Don M
Tell me, Jerry, what do you really think about Pecard's?

In 50 words or less.

luger11 · 06-11-2005, 08:47 PM

Connolly's products can be found at www.autogeek.com.

Leo

Edward Tinker · 06-11-2005, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wlyon
At 70 years old I think I just got a lesson.

its okay sir, these are nice folks, I had Jerry in my "gun room" and he saw a bottle of Pecards.... I use Connolly's now too

You can find it on e-bay, and it works well if your holster needs it.

I try and use nothing, but sometimes it just needs it on some holsters....

Ed

feldmÃ?Â¼tze · 07-04-2005, 06:32 AM

First, hello to all. I'm new to Lugers, having been into Gew98 rifles in recent years, and before that, imperial field hats. I've got my 1st luger coming soon from Ralph Shattuck, and have been following the forum for the last month, picking up as much info as possible.
On Pecards, I've used it on original Gew98 slings, with good reults, even though it's listed on the container as having petroleum distilates. Slings need to be supple, and from the holsters I've handled, one wouldn't want them to be like a sling. I'm just real surprised that Pecards doesn't recommend it for antique leather, as the container calls it Pecards antique leather dressing?
Anyway, it sounds like I need to try some of this Connolys hide food, especially for any luger holster I acquire.
As I stated earlier, I've been following the forum for the last month and am amazed at the knowledge brought forth and shared (and without the bickering I've seen on many other forums). I've been interested in Lugers for years but was hesitant, as I know they've been "boinked with" for many years.
While I've got you here, the luger coming from R.S. is a '14 Erfurt, so of course I've been looking at holsters. What's the opinion on this one value wise, and would the Connolys help tone down the scratches much?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

lew1 · 07-04-2005, 08:08 AM

Value will vary. WWI holsters are on Ebay fairly often. If you watch for a bit, you will get a feel for the range of prices. This will help if you bid on ebay or look for them at gun shows.

Connoly's will help in toning down the scratches if you so wish. But remember that old things, ie: holsters, people, etc are supposed to have scratches, wrinkles, etc. (Myself included of course.)

George Anderson · 07-04-2005, 08:13 AM

Probably a good buy at $250.

Pete Ebbink · 07-06-2005, 10:44 PM

I have had good luck with Kiwi's Leather Lotion...not a wax or oil based product. Great for scuff removal and no change to color...does not add color to stitching, either...leaves a very nice, subtle satin sheen on the leather when buffed with a clean dry white cotton rag.

06-11-2005, 12:14 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,530 Times in 943 Posts	Treating holsters Over the years I have heard many discussions on whether or not to treat luger holsters. I have always treated mine, on a yearly basis with Pecard. I can not see any reason to not adequately protect the leather. They will certaintly last longer. What is the difference between these and old saddles or any other old leather?What do you think? __________________ Bill Lyon

06-11-2005, 06:06 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	GOD, If I hear of Pecard's one more time I am going to puke. This stuff is evil. I just got in a holster that was covered in this gooey waxy, sticky, slime. It took me four hours to clean it off, cooking it in the sun so it would pool and wiping it off. It will never come off completely. If you want to completely ruin a collectable holster either use Pecard's or Neatsfoot oil. Pecard's is developed for use on boots in icy slush. Or leather items in harsh rainy weather to repell water. I called Pecard's as did David Mclain and talked to them at length about their product. They DO NOT recommend it for antique leather! Pecard's denies EVER saying it's product was recommended by the Smithsonian for vintage leather as stated on some dealers web sites. This is an urban myth, like the black widow. Pure stupidity. Any dealer who sells this waste product for use on vintage holsters is culpable of antique leather genocide. It's my opinion I would never knowingly buy a holster that has had Pecard's applied to it. How could you not know it. Tom is quite correct, Connoly's hide food is the best and I usually only use it on new made leather parts. It's better to use nothing on vintage holsters. Instead control the storage environment. "I can not see any reason to not adequately protect the leather. They will certaintly last longer. What is the difference between these and old saddles or any other old leather?" Protect it from what? You should be protecting it from people who would slap goo all over them. What's the difference? The difference is, saddles, bridles and other horse gear is subjected to harsh wet weather and dirt. It is meant to be used abused and eventually wear out. Which it does. In the meantime it would be prudent to put Pecard's on it to repell water. This is OK on working leather that you will clean and maintain and will eventually wear out and be disposed of. Granted it might take a hundred years to do so. Vintage collectable holsters are an entirely different case in point. One is ostensibly trying to preserve them forever. They need repell no water. They do not need treatment to repell water, This goo only soaks into the leather causing the leather fibers that are held together to slip and slide, losing their natural tension, hence the leather becomes mushy. This is really bad on a hardshell Luger holster. I implore all the members to throw out this stuff. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-11-2005, 07:56 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,530 Times in 943 Posts	At 70 years old I think I just got a lesson. Actually I do not use much Pecard.Just a dab and wipe it off.I started using it on the advise of an old Colt collector. Obviously he was wrong.I for one will stop using it.Where can I get hide food? We do not have many Jaguar or Rolls dealers in Montana? Thanks for the response. Guess I just lost a place to sell holsters. Darn. __________________ Bill Lyon

06-11-2005, 07:58 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Tell me, Jerry, what do you really think about Pecard's? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-04-2005, 06:32 AM	#9
feldmÃ?Â¼tze User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kingston, Tn. Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Treating holsters First, hello to all. I'm new to Lugers, having been into Gew98 rifles in recent years, and before that, imperial field hats. I've got my 1st luger coming soon from Ralph Shattuck, and have been following the forum for the last month, picking up as much info as possible. On Pecards, I've used it on original Gew98 slings, with good reults, even though it's listed on the container as having petroleum distilates. Slings need to be supple, and from the holsters I've handled, one wouldn't want them to be like a sling. I'm just real surprised that Pecards doesn't recommend it for antique leather, as the container calls it Pecards antique leather dressing? Anyway, it sounds like I need to try some of this Connolys hide food, especially for any luger holster I acquire. As I stated earlier, I've been following the forum for the last month and am amazed at the knowledge brought forth and shared (and without the bickering I've seen on many other forums). I've been interested in Lugers for years but was hesitant, as I know they've been "boinked with" for many years. While I've got you here, the luger coming from R.S. is a '14 Erfurt, so of course I've been looking at holsters. What's the opinion on this one value wise, and would the Connolys help tone down the scratches much? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

06-11-2005, 01:14 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pecards is petroleum based and will ruin leather. If you must use something, limit it to Connolly's hide Food, which can be obtained via the internet or at your neighborhood Jaguar/Rolls Royce dealership. Tom A

06-11-2005, 08:47 PM	#7
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Connolly's products can be found at www.autogeek.com. Leo

07-04-2005, 08:08 AM	#10
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Value will vary. WWI holsters are on Ebay fairly often. If you watch for a bit, you will get a feel for the range of prices. This will help if you bid on ebay or look for them at gun shows. Connoly's will help in toning down the scratches if you so wish. But remember that old things, ie: holsters, people, etc are supposed to have scratches, wrinkles, etc. (Myself included of course.) __________________ charlie

07-04-2005, 08:13 AM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Probably a good buy at $250.

07-06-2005, 10:44 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I have had good luck with Kiwi's Leather Lotion...not a wax or oil based product. Great for scuff removal and no change to color...does not add color to stitching, either...leaves a very nice, subtle satin sheen on the leather when buffed with a clean dry white cotton rag.