firebird

Hello, a friend of mine asked me for information about a german weapon called "firebird parabellum 9mm", i promised him to search in the internet, but i didn!t find anything. is there anyone who knows more? thank you very much says joerg from germany

[Marvin]

joerg,


I have done a lot or research on German weapons from the Third Reich period and I have never heard of a "Firebird" 9mmP pistol or machine pistol. The only thing I can think of is when the British Sten gun was tested for German service. After manufacturing a small amount, the Heereswaffenamt decided the British Sten was not suitable as a weapon for the Wehrmact because of the unreliability of the design, so the project was dropped. I wonder if this could have been a code name for the project? Sorry I can;t help further.


Marvin

Joerg, I wonder if your friend is calling any luger with an American Eagle on the chamber a "Firebird". Another posibility is one of the Mauser Parabellums marketed by Renato Gamba, Mauser's Italian distributor. They used a stylized eagle over RG as their logo. Finally, there have been several awful heavily engraved commerical commeratives offered, usually gold plated at golden prices.

[BILL]

Well, there is a 1911 Colt look alike, manufactured in 9mm Parabellum, by an outfit called S.A.M. that is located in the Phillipines and also a Pistol of Czech manufacture that is a semi-auto (not sure if it comes in Parabellum caliber or not). I think your friend is looking for a Pistol in 9mm called a "Firebird" not a Luger. The word parabellum in this case (no pun intended) is being used to reference the cartridge and not the 'Parabellum Pistol' or Luger, as some of us call it.

[Johnny Peppers]

Maybe it is a Barebutt Firebird?

[BILL]

Aren't they all?

[ViggoG]

Tom ;

Could he be looking for one of the Lugers

that have the proof markings that resemble

the Native N American Indian "Firebird" symbol


I/m referring to the following proof marks ;


Simson # 33 style

1930 -1934 # 38 style (reworks)

Mauser # 43, 44, 45 style


( style numbers are from our column

"Technical Information", "markings" )


These proof marks have a strange similarity

to the Amer-Ind firebird symbol


What do you think , Could someone be inventing

a new "sales gimick name" ?????


Just a Thought . ViggoG

Viggo, My best guess is the Italian "Firebird" Renato Gambino logo Mauser Parabellum. Since these were made for the European market, There is proably more demand for them there, but I wouldn't mind having one myself, as I've never seen any in the USA.

[ViggoG]

Thanks Tom ;

I had never heard any mention of the

the Italian "Firebird" Renato Gambino

logo Mauser Parabellum .

Do you have knowledge os where one can

read or view photos of this variation ?


ViggoG

[BILL]

Tom, what German Luger was referred to as the 'Firebird'? The only reference I can find when I do an internet search is the two pistols I mentioned earlier in this thread. I have never heard of a 'Firebird' Luger.