Spot reblue?

MFC · 04-21-2007, 02:35 AM

Hi all,
I have a Luger that has blueing missing only in spots. Something got on it and removed the the rust blue down to the white. Other than these areas, the gun is as new with almost no wear on well over 90% of the finish. I really want to save as much of the original finish as possible.
I've heard that spot or area reblueing is possible without having to reblue the whole part and I'd like to know what I can expect from this procedure.
Thanks in advance,
Mike C.

Lugerdoc · 04-21-2007, 08:31 AM

Mike, It's been my experience that this procedure wll potect the previously unblued surfaces, but will not match the original rust/salt blue. For best results, it's best to remove the original blue from an entire area (barrel, grip strap, etc) and cold blue it to a dark color, allow to dry, and then thin it down with a stainless brush to a color approximating the orig blue. TH

Ron Wood · 04-21-2007, 10:01 AM

I saw a near mint salt blued Luger that had a bright spot on the right frame ear where the blue had been removed somehow. Ted Green re-blued the spot with rust blue and the result matched perfectly! If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it.

redbear · 04-21-2007, 11:51 AM

Oxpho works amazing to cover up small spots... but if you haev a lot of spots I'm not sure I'd recomend it...

Hugh · 04-21-2007, 04:12 PM

Oxypho Blue from Brownells is probably the best, with Dichropan T4 a close second.

MFC · 04-21-2007, 09:01 PM

Thanks guys,
My luger is rust blued and the majority of the blue loss is on the barrel with some other small areas on the front of the frame and trigger gaurd. I'd really like to save the halos on the barrel if the color could be matched. Can the Oxypho Blue be matched to a rust blue finish? Also, is it possible to (rust blue) only on certain areas and not a whole part? If so the barrel wouldn't have to be removed from the receiver.
Thanks again,
Mike C.

redbear · 04-22-2007, 02:52 AM

Honestly?

Why reblue at all? the bluing wear it has it's part of it;s history, adn to reblue it is to remove that history, which is what makes it unique.

MFC · 04-23-2007, 12:41 AM

Thanks redbear,
I have other lugers w/ normal wear and wouldn't dream of reblueing them. This one however is not normal wear. The gun is in almost unfired condition, and these areas are down to the white, and very distracting. Something (my guess is blood) removed the blue only where it touched it, leaving the rest of the finish almost perfect. This (I think) would justify area reblueing like Ron mentioned earlier.
Mike C.

redbear · 04-23-2007, 12:52 AM

Well then, go with teh oxpho blue and small amount of 0000 steel wool... go slow, and it will match pretty damn close. HTH~

MFC · 04-23-2007, 01:20 AM

I assume rust blue won't work, since it wasn't recomended by anybody. BTW, I won't be doing this myself. I've been trying to get in touch with Ted Green, by Pm, email and phone with no response. I hope he is just very busy and not sick again.
Mike C.

Hugh · 04-23-2007, 01:54 AM

I believe Ted is working on back orders and is reluctant to take new ones until he gets caught up. If you follow the instructions with the Oxpho Blue, you can match rust blue with it. In fact, I have blued a couple of gun barrels with Oxpho Blue and it looked like a rust blued bbl.

MFC · 04-23-2007, 03:09 AM

Thanks again guys,
I just reread Ron's response and realized he said Ted reblued the spot w/ (rust blue) to match the salt blue. I hope the results will be the same. I'll keep trying to get in touch with Ted. I'm in no hurry.
Mike C.

Thor · 07-21-2007, 11:27 AM

That was the late ABC cameraman Robert Jennings Luger. No relation to the late Peter Jennings, though they are seen here in VN. Send me an email to Thor340@aol.com with pictures please. I dont visit the forum much, because in the recent past, there was more joy away from some people that wished me unkind things. May God bless John Dunkle and Ralph Shattuck, they have been true treasures, blessing our lives. Special thanks to Hugh Clark, Marvin Cook, John Sabato, GT Tomek, Tom Heller and Les Center also. Ted & Natalie Green

Pete Ebbink · 07-21-2007, 11:56 AM

Sorry to learn that Mr. Jennings passed away :

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2865249

Here are the discussions Robert participated in during his brief time on the LF (he only made 25 postings) :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/search.p...earchid=118109

LugerVern · 07-21-2007, 05:32 PM

Thro: Beautiful edging work! The mark of a professional!!! I have always been impressed with your work, not a hint of a mistakeÃ¢??nice!

Mike: Everyone is correct here; it is possible to blend your finish seamlessly with your spot repairs but risky and you may get a mottled finish. If you have not had much experience with bluing I recommend going to a professional. Many of the more experienced people on this forum have had time to play with shooters and know how to tweak bluing solutions to get the right effect. For them itsÃ¢?Â oh no problemÃ¢?Â but I assure you there is technique involved.

Experimenting with your 90% Luger is not how to learn!

The absolute hardest thing: is for us to leave our guns aloneÃ¢??are you sure you want to do this yourself?

Well, thatÃ¢??s my to two cents worth

I like Ã¢??VanÃ¢??sÃ¢?Â for small touch ups, itÃ¢??s made for layering.

Vern

MFC · 07-22-2007, 09:43 AM

Vern,
I don't want to do this myself. I was asking if it could be done with good results. I want it done right, (rust blue).
I'm glad to see that Ted (Thor) responded. I'll contact him soon. I did talk to him earlier, but he was backed up at the time.
Thanks,
Mike C.

MFC · 07-23-2007, 01:02 AM

I sent pics. to Thor and he said he could fix it. I'm really looking forward to it. Other than those problem areas, it's a really beautiful 1906 American Eagle 9mm, that deserves the best craftmanship possible.
Mike C.

Thor · 09-19-2007, 02:23 PM

Mike, I shipped your Luger back today. I was very happy with the spot repairs. The back of the frame over the lanyard loop was also lacking of bluing and very spotty looking, so I fixed that too. Hope you like the work! A superb Luger! Thanks for letting me work on it.

MFC · 09-20-2007, 12:23 AM

Hi Ted,
Having seen some of your previous work on the forum and some (before and after) pics you sent me... if your very happy with it, I know it will be an exeptional job. Thanks for the extra work. I can't wait to see it.
Mike C.

Thor · 09-20-2007, 11:39 AM

Speaking of before and after pictures, I wish I had taken some after pictures of your Eagle. Your gun is a great example of what can be done to spots at different locations and still keep the majority of the original bluing left in place. Thanks for letting me work in it.

04-21-2007, 02:35 AM	#1
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Spot reblue? Hi all, I have a Luger that has blueing missing only in spots. Something got on it and removed the the rust blue down to the white. Other than these areas, the gun is as new with almost no wear on well over 90% of the finish. I really want to save as much of the original finish as possible. I've heard that spot or area reblueing is possible without having to reblue the whole part and I'd like to know what I can expect from this procedure. Thanks in advance, Mike C.

04-21-2007, 08:31 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mike, It's been my experience that this procedure wll potect the previously unblued surfaces, but will not match the original rust/salt blue. For best results, it's best to remove the original blue from an entire area (barrel, grip strap, etc) and cold blue it to a dark color, allow to dry, and then thin it down with a stainless brush to a color approximating the orig blue. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-21-2007, 10:01 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	I saw a near mint salt blued Luger that had a bright spot on the right frame ear where the blue had been removed somehow. Ted Green re-blued the spot with rust blue and the result matched perfectly! If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-21-2007, 11:51 AM	#4
redbear User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oxpho works amazing to cover up small spots... but if you haev a lot of spots I'm not sure I'd recomend it... __________________ There is no Justice, only the law.

04-21-2007, 04:12 PM	#5
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Oxypho Blue from Brownells is probably the best, with Dichropan T4 a close second. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

04-21-2007, 09:01 PM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks guys, My luger is rust blued and the majority of the blue loss is on the barrel with some other small areas on the front of the frame and trigger gaurd. I'd really like to save the halos on the barrel if the color could be matched. Can the Oxypho Blue be matched to a rust blue finish? Also, is it possible to (rust blue) only on certain areas and not a whole part? If so the barrel wouldn't have to be removed from the receiver. Thanks again, Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

04-22-2007, 02:52 AM	#7
redbear User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Honestly? Why reblue at all? the bluing wear it has it's part of it;s history, adn to reblue it is to remove that history, which is what makes it unique. __________________ There is no Justice, only the law.

04-23-2007, 12:41 AM	#8
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks redbear, I have other lugers w/ normal wear and wouldn't dream of reblueing them. This one however is not normal wear. The gun is in almost unfired condition, and these areas are down to the white, and very distracting. Something (my guess is blood) removed the blue only where it touched it, leaving the rest of the finish almost perfect. This (I think) would justify area reblueing like Ron mentioned earlier. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

04-23-2007, 12:52 AM	#9
redbear User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well then, go with teh oxpho blue and small amount of 0000 steel wool... go slow, and it will match pretty damn close. HTH~ __________________ There is no Justice, only the law.

04-23-2007, 01:20 AM	#10
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I assume rust blue won't work, since it wasn't recomended by anybody. BTW, I won't be doing this myself. I've been trying to get in touch with Ted Green, by Pm, email and phone with no response. I hope he is just very busy and not sick again. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

04-23-2007, 01:54 AM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I believe Ted is working on back orders and is reluctant to take new ones until he gets caught up. If you follow the instructions with the Oxpho Blue, you can match rust blue with it. In fact, I have blued a couple of gun barrels with Oxpho Blue and it looked like a rust blued bbl. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

04-23-2007, 03:09 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks again guys, I just reread Ron's response and realized he said Ted reblued the spot w/ (rust blue) to match the salt blue. I hope the results will be the same. I'll keep trying to get in touch with Ted. I'm in no hurry. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-21-2007, 11:27 AM	#13
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	That was the late ABC cameraman Robert Jennings Luger. No relation to the late Peter Jennings, though they are seen here in VN. Send me an email to Thor340@aol.com with pictures please. I dont visit the forum much, because in the recent past, there was more joy away from some people that wished me unkind things. May God bless John Dunkle and Ralph Shattuck, they have been true treasures, blessing our lives. Special thanks to Hugh Clark, Marvin Cook, John Sabato, GT Tomek, Tom Heller and Les Center also. Ted & Natalie Green __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-21-2007, 11:56 AM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Sorry to learn that Mr. Jennings passed away : http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2865249 Here are the discussions Robert participated in during his brief time on the LF (he only made 25 postings) : http://forum.lugerforum.com/search.p...earchid=118109

07-21-2007, 05:32 PM	#15
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Thro: Beautiful edging work! The mark of a professional!!! I have always been impressed with your work, not a hint of a mistakeÃ¢??nice! Mike: Everyone is correct here; it is possible to blend your finish seamlessly with your spot repairs but risky and you may get a mottled finish. If you have not had much experience with bluing I recommend going to a professional. Many of the more experienced people on this forum have had time to play with shooters and know how to tweak bluing solutions to get the right effect. For them itsÃ¢?Â oh no problemÃ¢?Â but I assure you there is technique involved. Experimenting with your 90% Luger is not how to learn! The absolute hardest thing: is for us to leave our guns aloneÃ¢??are you sure you want to do this yourself? Well, thatÃ¢??s my to two cents worth I like Ã¢??VanÃ¢??sÃ¢?Â for small touch ups, itÃ¢??s made for layering. Vern

07-22-2007, 09:43 AM	#16
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Vern, I don't want to do this myself. I was asking if it could be done with good results. I want it done right, (rust blue). I'm glad to see that Ted (Thor) responded. I'll contact him soon. I did talk to him earlier, but he was backed up at the time. Thanks, Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-23-2007, 01:02 AM	#17
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I sent pics. to Thor and he said he could fix it. I'm really looking forward to it. Other than those problem areas, it's a really beautiful 1906 American Eagle 9mm, that deserves the best craftmanship possible. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

09-19-2007, 02:23 PM	#18
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Mike, I shipped your Luger back today. I was very happy with the spot repairs. The back of the frame over the lanyard loop was also lacking of bluing and very spotty looking, so I fixed that too. Hope you like the work! A superb Luger! Thanks for letting me work on it. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-20-2007, 12:23 AM	#19
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Ted, Having seen some of your previous work on the forum and some (before and after) pics you sent me... if your very happy with it, I know it will be an exeptional job. Thanks for the extra work. I can't wait to see it. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

09-20-2007, 11:39 AM	#20
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Speaking of before and after pictures, I wish I had taken some after pictures of your Eagle. Your gun is a great example of what can be done to spots at different locations and still keep the majority of the original bluing left in place. Thanks for letting me work in it. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."