Anybody seen this- New In Box 1918?

mlmahon · 01-08-2012, 12:21 AM

http://www.gunsamerica.com//95684622..._1918.htm?wl=1

It looks fantastic. It is in a box. It has, most definitely, been fired (a lot).

Comments anyone?

-ML

Douglas Jr. · 01-08-2012, 04:47 AM

The box is not original and the gun rises some suspicion concerning its finish. But, most of all, there aren't Commercial Lugers dated 1918.

Just my two cents.
Douglas.

alanint · 01-08-2012, 07:03 AM

The box was provided by a well-known gun dealer in Buenos Aires, Argentina, which no longer exists.

Someone just stuck a questionable 1918 military Luger in it...

DavidJayUden · 01-08-2012, 09:37 AM

The seller contacted me a week ago with this offer, and I told him that it appears to be a used WW1 Luger stuffed inside of a Webley box, probably worthy around $1200. But he insists...Anyway, it will be interesting to watch it play out. With someone else's money of course...
dju

Vlim · 01-08-2012, 10:11 AM

For one reason or another, access to gunsamerica.com is blocked off in the Netherlands.
Does anyone have a contact email for GA, I'm curious why it is being blocked, as this is not a common thing over here. Other gun related and auction sites are available without problems.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-08-2012, 11:25 AM

David is spot on..$1200 pistol and the box costs $16,800

The seller is a lunitic who has not done his homework. Sort of sad when people do this..but I have found that once they somehow determine the thing is worth $18,000 they just can't come back to reality no matter how many facts you show them.

sheepherder · 01-08-2012, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

For one reason or another, access to gunsamerica.com is blocked off in the Netherlands.
Does anyone have a contact email for GA, I'm curious why it is being blocked, as this is not a common thing over here. Other gun related and auction sites are available without problems.

CustomerService@GunsAmerica.com

mlmahon · 01-08-2012, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

For one reason or another, access to gunsamerica.com is blocked off in the Netherlands.
Does anyone have a contact email for GA, I'm curious why it is being blocked, as this is not a common thing over here. Other gun related and auction sites are available without problems.

Vlim,

If it helps, the gun is a 1918 DWM, Serial# 9137m. Maybe in a database somewhere.

I knew when I saw this it was probably bogus. (thanks to my continued education here on the forum).

-ML

drbuster · 01-08-2012, 04:35 PM

Despite all the probable hype on the part of the seller, this 1918 luger looks pretty pristine. I don't even seen blue wear on the right frame rail nor either side of the muzzle. Could this luger have somehow ended up in Argentina as a commercial sales item after WW1 maybe without even being issued aa a military gun? Just speculation!

alanint · 01-08-2012, 04:46 PM

Nope. Argentina has welcomed Germans of all sorts of persuasions since the end of WW1. One of the best Luger collections I have ever seen was displayed in the window of a gun shop called "El Ciervo" in Buenos Aires. The store had about 15 rare nazi presentation guns from a number of second tier nazi luminaries at that time.
This was most likely brought to Argentina by a German owner post WW1, along with hundreds of others who were escaping a devastated post war Germany.

Aaron · 01-08-2012, 09:38 PM

Which brings a question to mind: After WWI many military Lugers were chosen for their outstanding condition, some possibly unissued, to be sent to the USA for commercial sales. These were stamped "Germany" and the original military markings were left untouched. I think it would be quite correct to classify these as "commercial" pistols", or possibly "military/commercial" variations. Does anyone agree with me that such Lugers deserve a classification of their own?

CavScoutEurope · 01-09-2012, 12:51 PM

They may deserve a classification of thier own but to the ATF they would still be considered military surplus. At least that is my understanding of it. From dealing with them when I was importing my firearms home from Germany they basically told me that if it was once issued by a nations military it will always be considered military surplus.

Hugo Borchardt · 01-12-2012, 10:18 AM

I'd pay $300 for the box!

Clark

01-08-2012, 12:21 AM	#1
mlmahon User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Port Neches, TX Posts: 80 Thanks: 51 Thanked 23 Times in 12 Posts	Anybody seen this- New In Box 1918? http://www.gunsamerica.com//95684622..._1918.htm?wl=1 It looks fantastic. It is in a box. It has, most definitely, been fired (a lot). Comments anyone? -ML __________________ Knowledge is Power. Trust but Verify.

01-08-2012, 11:25 AM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	David is spot on..$1200 pistol and the box costs $16,800 The seller is a lunitic who has not done his homework. Sort of sad when people do this..but I have found that once they somehow determine the thing is worth $18,000 they just can't come back to reality no matter how many facts you show them. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-12-2012, 10:18 AM	#13
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	I'd pay $300 for the box! Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

01-08-2012, 04:47 AM	#2
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	The box is not original and the gun rises some suspicion concerning its finish. But, most of all, there aren't Commercial Lugers dated 1918. Just my two cents. Douglas.

01-08-2012, 07:03 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The box was provided by a well-known gun dealer in Buenos Aires, Argentina, which no longer exists. Someone just stuck a questionable 1918 military Luger in it...

01-08-2012, 09:37 AM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	The seller contacted me a week ago with this offer, and I told him that it appears to be a used WW1 Luger stuffed inside of a Webley box, probably worthy around $1200. But he insists...Anyway, it will be interesting to watch it play out. With someone else's money of course... dju

01-08-2012, 10:11 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,046 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,946 Times in 1,197 Posts	For one reason or another, access to gunsamerica.com is blocked off in the Netherlands. Does anyone have a contact email for GA, I'm curious why it is being blocked, as this is not a common thing over here. Other gun related and auction sites are available without problems.

01-08-2012, 04:35 PM	#9
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Despite all the probable hype on the part of the seller, this 1918 luger looks pretty pristine. I don't even seen blue wear on the right frame rail nor either side of the muzzle. Could this luger have somehow ended up in Argentina as a commercial sales item after WW1 maybe without even being issued aa a military gun? Just speculation!

01-08-2012, 04:46 PM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Nope. Argentina has welcomed Germans of all sorts of persuasions since the end of WW1. One of the best Luger collections I have ever seen was displayed in the window of a gun shop called "El Ciervo" in Buenos Aires. The store had about 15 rare nazi presentation guns from a number of second tier nazi luminaries at that time. This was most likely brought to Argentina by a German owner post WW1, along with hundreds of others who were escaping a devastated post war Germany.

01-08-2012, 09:38 PM	#11
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Which brings a question to mind: After WWI many military Lugers were chosen for their outstanding condition, some possibly unissued, to be sent to the USA for commercial sales. These were stamped "Germany" and the original military markings were left untouched. I think it would be quite correct to classify these as "commercial" pistols", or possibly "military/commercial" variations. Does anyone agree with me that such Lugers deserve a classification of their own?

01-09-2012, 12:51 PM	#12
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	They may deserve a classification of thier own but to the ATF they would still be considered military surplus. At least that is my understanding of it. From dealing with them when I was importing my firearms home from Germany they basically told me that if it was once issued by a nations military it will always be considered military surplus.