Any ideas on this Luger?

modrob · 11-12-2009, 10:56 PM

This belonged to my late father, and he received it in the early 70s from a fellow that had shot the German and brought it back.
Hopefully these pictures are clear enough to help identify some of the markings. I've read quite a bit on the 'net, but it's very complicated it seems...
Serial number is 2776, and it appears that all parts have 76 on them, even the inside grips are 2776. I have one clip and the holster, but the holster is really showing its age, as the cover flap has separated. Still has the tool inside. More pics to come, if I can figure out how...
Thanks for any info..
Tim

modrob · 11-12-2009, 11:05 PM

this is on the inside of the grip frame...

modrob · 11-12-2009, 11:11 PM

The other side...

modrob · 11-12-2009, 11:13 PM

top view marks

modrob · 11-12-2009, 11:19 PM

and more views...

policeluger · 11-13-2009, 12:35 AM

Your Dad's friend killed a cop.....a fair police gun in need of TLC.....

MFC · 11-13-2009, 12:50 AM

Tim,
I beleive it's a DWM Alphabet commercial, made in 1927. Originally 30 cal. Reworked/rebarreled (9mm) and sear safety added, put into Police service. Someone else will have to decipher the unit marks for you.

worldoftone · 11-13-2009, 01:08 AM

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Your Dad's friend killed a cop.....a fair police gun in need of TLC.....

Heh heh heh . . . oh how the stories evolved as the years went by . . .

- WOT

Vlim · 11-13-2009, 06:45 AM

Sounds better than 'looted from the pile after the disarming of the local police force'.

Lugerdoc · 11-13-2009, 11:21 AM

The C/G on the left receiver indicates that it was reworked. I can't see the crown pips clear enough to say whether by Simson or Mauser. Police grips strap making are Shutz Politizi Dresden or Dusseldord, I've forgotten which. TH

modrob · 11-13-2009, 08:45 PM

Can you detail a bit for me? (new at all this and don't know much of the terminology)...
Sear Safety? What signifies the "alphabet commercial 1927"? I take it the left receiver is just above what you call the "take down lever"? If so, I thought that C/G (correct?) looked like some kind of fancy "T" script...and what are you looking for in the "crown pips"? And "Police Grips Strap"?
Thanks so much for your help.
I remember when dad got this pistol. I think it was early 1970 or so (I was 10) and he owned an Esso station. This fellow came in just about every day-like so many others did in a small town-and knowing that dad had started a liking to pistols, he brought this in for him to see. Many times he tried to get the fellow to sell it to him, but to no avail. But one day (after a few snorts, or during, I'd say, as it was common practice for all of those fellows to have a drink or two in the back room) he told dad to give him 50 bucks and it was his. Now dad was not about to take advantage him he thought, so he refused, and told him to come back later when he was a little more "in his right mind". The fellow got testy with him, and told him he wanted him to have it, and if he kept refusing, he'd just sell it elsewhere. So dad relented, but told him it would there for him anytime he wanted it back. Which never happened. The fellow was genuinely happy for dad to have it. And it was treasured by dad until the day he passed. The story I'm told was the fellow had shot the foe in combat, then took it off him. Said he'd shot him through the throat. If I remember correctly I think the guy was somewhat celebrated for an event during the war....
So now I'm just curious to track down as much info as I can about all that surrounds it.
Again, thanks for your great help gentlemen...
Tim

worldoftone · 11-13-2009, 08:57 PM

Begs the question, what are the odds a solder obtained this Luger and used it in combat? Would a police force be used in a defensive role somehow once a town was involved in the fighting?

I never read or heard of that happening . . . but . . .

Just rambling. Must be reading too many Russian Luger threads . . .

- WOT

modrob · 11-13-2009, 09:42 PM

I'm also hoping to try and track down this fellow's family in my hometown and see if I can get more info of where, when..etc...and I guess maybe I can get some info from the military about him?

klaus 3338 · 11-14-2009, 03:57 AM

It´s a police one with the G- stamp. The crown of the G was "killed" and we find this inspector´s stamp on several police Lugers and police accessories like conversion units. S.D.IV. means Schutzpolizei Düsseldorf 4. Dienststandort. Your Luger was stationed in Duisburg at the river Rhein.
Regards Klaus

suum cuique · 11-14-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

The C/G on the left receiver indicates that it was reworked. I can't see the crown pips clear enough to say whether by Simson or Mauser. Police grips strap making are Shutz Politizi Dresden or Dusseldord, I've forgotten which. TH

Can't be Dresden, must be Duesseldorf. US troops didn't made it til Dresden. The Red Army took Dresden on May 8th, 1945

suum cuique · 11-14-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by policeluger

Your Dad's friend killed a cop.....a fair police gun in need of TLC.....

Daddy's friend was lucky not to mess with this guy

modrob · 11-14-2009, 02:04 PM

Oh my head is swimming with so much info coming so fast...Thanks for helping guys...
But this is really intriguing me, so forgive so many questions...

Klaus... I get most of that, but "G stamp" and "killed"...can you explain a little more? And "conversion"? Is that "G stamp" beside that crown over N?

Andy..."daddy's friend lucky.." can you explain that a little more? Maybe you can point me to where I can read more of the history of it..I'm taking that to mean the guy who should have had this could have been one big-bad dude?

Again, so many thanks to you all.

modrob · 11-14-2009, 02:33 PM

Should this thread now be moved to the Commercial section?

I have more pictures if they help any with any history..

suum cuique · 11-14-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by modrob

Oh my head is swimming with so much info coming so fast...Thanks for helping guys...
But this is really intriguing me, so forgive so many questions...

Klaus... I get most of that, but "G stamp" and "killed"...can you explain a little more? And "conversion"? Is that "G stamp" beside that crown over N?

Andy..."daddy's friend lucky.." can you explain that a little more? Maybe you can point me to where I can read more of the history of it..I'm taking that to mean the guy who should have had this could have been one big-bad dude?

Again, so many thanks to you all.

Some police units were very experienced,well armed tough warriors after facing years of hand to hand combat and fighting partisans in the forests of Russia, the mountains of Italy or Yugoslavia like the 10th Mountain Div nowadays in AFG.
No easy pray for Luger/souvenirs hunting GIs

MFC · 11-14-2009, 11:03 PM

Tim,
Your Luger started out as a DWM Alphabet commercial. S#2776q (q is part of the S#) was made in 1927 with a 30cal/7.65mm barrel for the commercial market. At this time it only had the Crown/N commercial proof. It was later reworked/rebarreled with a 9mm barrel at a military/police arsenal. This is when the gothic G proof, next to the C/N proof was added. The gothic letters (inspectors stamps) on earlier Imperial Lugers had a crown over the letter.
I hope this clarifies a few details.

11-12-2009, 10:56 PM	#1
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any ideas on this Luger? This belonged to my late father, and he received it in the early 70s from a fellow that had shot the German and brought it back. Hopefully these pictures are clear enough to help identify some of the markings. I've read quite a bit on the 'net, but it's very complicated it seems... Serial number is 2776, and it appears that all parts have 76 on them, even the inside grips are 2776. I have one clip and the holster, but the holster is really showing its age, as the cover flap has separated. Still has the tool inside. More pics to come, if I can figure out how... Thanks for any info.. Tim Attached Thumbnails

11-12-2009, 11:11 PM	#3
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and the other side... The other side... Attached Thumbnails

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modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	top view top view marks Attached Thumbnails

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modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more views and more views... Attached Thumbnails

11-13-2009, 12:50 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Tim, I beleive it's a DWM Alphabet commercial, made in 1927. Originally 30 cal. Reworked/rebarreled (9mm) and sear safety added, put into Police service. Someone else will have to decipher the unit marks for you. __________________ Mike C.

11-12-2009, 11:05 PM	#2
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	another shot this is on the inside of the grip frame... Attached Thumbnails

11-13-2009, 12:35 AM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Your Dad's friend killed a cop.....a fair police gun in need of TLC.....

11-13-2009, 06:45 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Sounds better than 'looted from the pile after the disarming of the local police force'.

11-13-2009, 11:21 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The C/G on the left receiver indicates that it was reworked. I can't see the crown pips clear enough to say whether by Simson or Mauser. Police grips strap making are Shutz Politizi Dresden or Dusseldord, I've forgotten which. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-13-2009, 08:45 PM	#11
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can you detail a bit for me? (new at all this and don't know much of the terminology)... Sear Safety? What signifies the "alphabet commercial 1927"? I take it the left receiver is just above what you call the "take down lever"? If so, I thought that C/G (correct?) looked like some kind of fancy "T" script...and what are you looking for in the "crown pips"? And "Police Grips Strap"? Thanks so much for your help. I remember when dad got this pistol. I think it was early 1970 or so (I was 10) and he owned an Esso station. This fellow came in just about every day-like so many others did in a small town-and knowing that dad had started a liking to pistols, he brought this in for him to see. Many times he tried to get the fellow to sell it to him, but to no avail. But one day (after a few snorts, or during, I'd say, as it was common practice for all of those fellows to have a drink or two in the back room) he told dad to give him 50 bucks and it was his. Now dad was not about to take advantage him he thought, so he refused, and told him to come back later when he was a little more "in his right mind". The fellow got testy with him, and told him he wanted him to have it, and if he kept refusing, he'd just sell it elsewhere. So dad relented, but told him it would there for him anytime he wanted it back. Which never happened. The fellow was genuinely happy for dad to have it. And it was treasured by dad until the day he passed. The story I'm told was the fellow had shot the foe in combat, then took it off him. Said he'd shot him through the throat. If I remember correctly I think the guy was somewhat celebrated for an event during the war.... So now I'm just curious to track down as much info as I can about all that surrounds it. Again, thanks for your great help gentlemen... Tim

11-13-2009, 08:57 PM	#12
worldoftone User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 81 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Begs the question, what are the odds a solder obtained this Luger and used it in combat? Would a police force be used in a defensive role somehow once a town was involved in the fighting? I never read or heard of that happening . . . but . . . Just rambling. Must be reading too many Russian Luger threads . . . - WOT

11-13-2009, 09:42 PM	#13
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm also hoping to try and track down this fellow's family in my hometown and see if I can get more info of where, when..etc...and I guess maybe I can get some info from the military about him?

11-14-2009, 03:57 AM	#14
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	It´s a police one with the G- stamp. The crown of the G was "killed" and we find this inspector´s stamp on several police Lugers and police accessories like conversion units. S.D.IV. means Schutzpolizei Düsseldorf 4. Dienststandort. Your Luger was stationed in Duisburg at the river Rhein. Regards Klaus

11-14-2009, 02:04 PM	#17
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh my head is swimming with so much info coming so fast...Thanks for helping guys... But this is really intriguing me, so forgive so many questions... Klaus... I get most of that, but "G stamp" and "killed"...can you explain a little more? And "conversion"? Is that "G stamp" beside that crown over N? Andy..."daddy's friend lucky.." can you explain that a little more? Maybe you can point me to where I can read more of the history of it..I'm taking that to mean the guy who should have had this could have been one big-bad dude? Again, so many thanks to you all.

11-14-2009, 02:33 PM	#18
modrob User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more pics.... Should this thread now be moved to the Commercial section? I have more pictures if they help any with any history.. Attached Thumbnails

11-14-2009, 11:03 PM	#20
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Tim, Your Luger started out as a DWM Alphabet commercial. S#2776q (q is part of the S#) was made in 1927 with a 30cal/7.65mm barrel for the commercial market. At this time it only had the Crown/N commercial proof. It was later reworked/rebarreled with a 9mm barrel at a military/police arsenal. This is when the gothic G proof, next to the C/N proof was added. The gothic letters (inspectors stamps) on earlier Imperial Lugers had a crown over the letter. I hope this clarifies a few details. __________________ Mike C.