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Any ideas on this Luger?
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This belonged to my late father, and he received it in the early 70s from a fellow that had shot the German and brought it back.
Hopefully these pictures are clear enough to help identify some of the markings. I've read quite a bit on the 'net, but it's very complicated it seems... Serial number is 2776, and it appears that all parts have 76 on them, even the inside grips are 2776. I have one clip and the holster, but the holster is really showing its age, as the cover flap has separated. Still has the tool inside. More pics to come, if I can figure out how... Thanks for any info.. Tim |
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this is on the inside of the grip frame...
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and the other side...
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The other side...
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top view
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Your Dad's friend killed a cop.....a fair police gun in need of TLC.....
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Tim,
I beleive it's a DWM Alphabet commercial, made in 1927. Originally 30 cal. Reworked/rebarreled (9mm) and sear safety added, put into Police service. Someone else will have to decipher the unit marks for you. |
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Sounds better than 'looted from the pile after the disarming of the local police force'. :D
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The C/G on the left receiver indicates that it was reworked. I can't see the crown pips clear enough to say whether by Simson or Mauser. Police grips strap making are Shutz Politizi Dresden or Dusseldord, I've forgotten which. TH
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Can you detail a bit for me? (new at all this and don't know much of the terminology)...
Sear Safety? What signifies the "alphabet commercial 1927"? I take it the left receiver is just above what you call the "take down lever"? If so, I thought that C/G (correct?) looked like some kind of fancy "T" script...and what are you looking for in the "crown pips"? And "Police Grips Strap"? Thanks so much for your help. I remember when dad got this pistol. I think it was early 1970 or so (I was 10) and he owned an Esso station. This fellow came in just about every day-like so many others did in a small town-and knowing that dad had started a liking to pistols, he brought this in for him to see. Many times he tried to get the fellow to sell it to him, but to no avail. But one day (after a few snorts, or during, I'd say, as it was common practice for all of those fellows to have a drink or two in the back room) he told dad to give him 50 bucks and it was his. Now dad was not about to take advantage him he thought, so he refused, and told him to come back later when he was a little more "in his right mind". The fellow got testy with him, and told him he wanted him to have it, and if he kept refusing, he'd just sell it elsewhere. So dad relented, but told him it would there for him anytime he wanted it back. Which never happened. The fellow was genuinely happy for dad to have it. And it was treasured by dad until the day he passed. The story I'm told was the fellow had shot the foe in combat, then took it off him. Said he'd shot him through the throat. If I remember correctly I think the guy was somewhat celebrated for an event during the war.... So now I'm just curious to track down as much info as I can about all that surrounds it. Again, thanks for your great help gentlemen... Tim |
Begs the question, what are the odds a solder obtained this Luger and used it in combat? Would a police force be used in a defensive role somehow once a town was involved in the fighting?
I never read or heard of that happening . . . but . . . Just rambling. Must be reading too many Russian Luger threads . . . :) - WOT |
I'm also hoping to try and track down this fellow's family in my hometown and see if I can get more info of where, when..etc...and I guess maybe I can get some info from the military about him?
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It´s a police one with the G- stamp. The crown of the G was "killed" and we find this inspector´s stamp on several police Lugers and police accessories like conversion units. S.D.IV. means Schutzpolizei Düsseldorf 4. Dienststandort. Your Luger was stationed in Duisburg at the river Rhein.
Regards Klaus |
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Oh my head is swimming with so much info coming so fast...Thanks for helping guys...
But this is really intriguing me, so forgive so many questions... Klaus... I get most of that, but "G stamp" and "killed"...can you explain a little more? And "conversion"? Is that "G stamp" beside that crown over N? Andy..."daddy's friend lucky.." can you explain that a little more? Maybe you can point me to where I can read more of the history of it..I'm taking that to mean the guy who should have had this could have been one big-bad dude? Again, so many thanks to you all. |
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Should this thread now be moved to the Commercial section?
I have more pictures if they help any with any history.. |
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No easy pray for Luger/souvenirs hunting GIs:nono: |
Tim,
Your Luger started out as a DWM Alphabet commercial. S#2776q (q is part of the S#) was made in 1927 with a 30cal/7.65mm barrel for the commercial market. At this time it only had the Crown/N commercial proof. It was later reworked/rebarreled with a 9mm barrel at a military/police arsenal. This is when the gothic G proof, next to the C/N proof was added. The gothic letters (inspectors stamps) on earlier Imperial Lugers had a crown over the letter. I hope this clarifies a few details. |
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