need help to identify and apprx value

huntscout · 07-17-2008, 06:28 AM

This gun is very clean my camera doesnt take good pics up close

it has the dwm scroll mark on top

you asked about the letter below the 1495 below the barrel on front of gun it appears like a

cursive letter t

on the left side of the gun just behind the barrel is a capitol letter N like this N block letter and there is a small crown above it

on the left side of the front site facing up is the # 62

on the rear of the grip torwards the bottom appears a slotted area that might be for a rifle stock attachment along with a rectangle ring on the back of the gun behind the safety

there is no other markings that i can see

there is 2 clips with wood base one still has i believe is 8 original rounds neither clip has any markings.

This had a 3 1/8 " barrell
in excellent shape
with holster
2 clips one with original rounds-8 with no markings
9mm
wodd checkered grips
it has a crown marking with the letter N below it
serial # 1495
with 95 in several other places
GESICHERT IS MARKED IN THE UPPER POSITION FOR THE SAFETY
pics attached

can anyone help me to find out

what is actual model?
what is actual year?
what is approximate value?

one person thought it might be a 1920 or 1921 commercial

Ron Smith · 07-17-2008, 09:08 AM

Hi Chas,

Welcome to the forum.

The SN suffix is a t? Are the last two digits of the serial number stamped in obvious places? Such as on the outer surface of the side plate, take down lever, etc. Or are they stamped on the bottom edge of the side plate and take down lever?

Are there any markings on the right side of the receiver?

Ron

Edward Tinker · 07-17-2008, 09:13 AM

Chas, welcome to the forum. I have moved this to the New Collector area, instead of the help and feedback forum.

ed

huntscout · 07-17-2008, 09:31 PM

Thanks for your help Ron
yes it is a t
no markings at all on right side of gun
and yes 95 is in a couple places and 1495 is in a couple of places
iam working on getting better pics that show markings
Chas

Lugerdoc · 07-18-2008, 10:08 AM

Chas, The Crown/N marking is a commerical proof, so it's possible that your luger is a 7.65mm. I'd check that before attempting to shoot your 9mm ammo. I'd also check the ammo head stamps, since if it's as old as the pistol, it may have some collector value. When measuring the barrel, it should include the chamber area, so measure from the front of the muzzle all the way back to the extractor groove at the back of the chamber. TH

huntscout · 07-18-2008, 10:36 AM

i will try to read the back of the ammo case but old eyes lol

the cartridge is straight and is not necked down I will ger info off back of cartridge tonite
thanks
Chuck

07-17-2008, 06:28 AM	#1
huntscout New User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	need help to identify and apprx value This gun is very clean my camera doesnt take good pics up close it has the dwm scroll mark on top you asked about the letter below the 1495 below the barrel on front of gun it appears like a cursive letter t on the left side of the gun just behind the barrel is a capitol letter N like this N block letter and there is a small crown above it on the left side of the front site facing up is the # 62 on the rear of the grip torwards the bottom appears a slotted area that might be for a rifle stock attachment along with a rectangle ring on the back of the gun behind the safety there is no other markings that i can see there is 2 clips with wood base one still has i believe is 8 original rounds neither clip has any markings. This had a 3 1/8 " barrell in excellent shape with holster 2 clips one with original rounds-8 with no markings 9mm wodd checkered grips it has a crown marking with the letter N below it serial # 1495 with 95 in several other places GESICHERT IS MARKED IN THE UPPER POSITION FOR THE SAFETY pics attached can anyone help me to find out what is actual model? what is actual year? what is approximate value? one person thought it might be a 1920 or 1921 commercial Attached Thumbnails

07-17-2008, 09:08 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Chas, Welcome to the forum. The SN suffix is a t? Are the last two digits of the serial number stamped in obvious places? Such as on the outer surface of the side plate, take down lever, etc. Or are they stamped on the bottom edge of the side plate and take down lever? Are there any markings on the right side of the receiver? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-17-2008, 09:13 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,917 Thanks: 1,997 Thanked 4,508 Times in 2,082 Posts	Chas, welcome to the forum. I have moved this to the New Collector area, instead of the help and feedback forum. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-18-2008, 10:08 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Chas, The Crown/N marking is a commerical proof, so it's possible that your luger is a 7.65mm. I'd check that before attempting to shoot your 9mm ammo. I'd also check the ammo head stamps, since if it's as old as the pistol, it may have some collector value. When measuring the barrel, it should include the chamber area, so measure from the front of the muzzle all the way back to the extractor groove at the back of the chamber. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-17-2008, 09:31 PM	#4
huntscout New User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your help Ron yes it is a t no markings at all on right side of gun and yes 95 is in a couple places and 1495 is in a couple of places iam working on getting better pics that show markings Chas

07-18-2008, 10:36 AM	#6
huntscout New User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i will try to read the back of the ammo case but old eyes lol the cartridge is straight and is not necked down I will ger info off back of cartridge tonite thanks Chuck