I am new to the Luger, and I need HELP!!!!

Uzrov_Omega · 07-08-2002, 05:16 PM

Here is the story in a nutshell. About 5 years ago a woman I now live with purchased a luger form an WWII veteran. Later inspecting the gun, she found that it was in VERY good condition. It was brought onto american soil by an army man named SGT.John T. Butts. I inspected the gun last night....it is in near perfect condition. There is no damage to the gun. A little bluing wear from 50+ years in the original holster. It also has the original contraband papers. The pistol is grease plugged. All of the serial numbers match. There are sevral Nazi symbols on the gun itself. It also has what seems to be mother of pearl grips?!? What we are trying to do is to gain information on the gun itself. Does anyone know what steps we might take? how to trace serial numbers? any information would be most appreciated.

John Sabato · 07-08-2002, 05:23 PM

Micah,

Go to our homepage at Lugerforum.com

On the left is a link to technical information.

using the identification sheets there, record all the information about the pistol.

post that information here under the appropriate forum category and someone who is knowledgable about that type of Luger will reply with information about your gun.

To get started the date of manufacture is over the chamber and the complete serial number is located on the front of the grip frame under the barrel... the complete serial number may include a small script letter suffix under the number... this letter is very important to the identification of your Luger and is part of the serial number.

We shall wait to hear further from you...

Uzrov_Omega · 07-08-2002, 05:36 PM

Thank you John. More info to come.

Pete Ebbink · 07-08-2002, 06:10 PM

Hello Micah,

If you have a digital camera and can post some jpeg photos, our many resident luger experts can give you more definitive info. on your luger as well... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

John Sabato · 07-08-2002, 06:18 PM

Wm. Pete Ebbink is right... definitely post photographs if you can because condition is very subjective... Good closeup photos can be of great help in determining the condition and value of your Luger.

BTW, there must be a real good story about your choice of username... how about filling us in?

Uzrov_Omega · 07-08-2002, 10:43 PM

Here is ...a pic of the Luger. Sorry for the poor quality, but it the best I can do for now. I am in the process of filling out the technical papers...

This post edited by John Sabato to display the photo with your post...

Edward Tinker · 07-08-2002, 10:49 PM

I don't think the grips are original. [img]wink.gif[/img]

I don't know the sideplate looks a bit funny? But maybe just the angle?

Uzrov_Omega · 07-08-2002, 11:06 PM

as for my user name.... phew..that is a long story. My grandfather on my fathers side gave me the name many years ago. He said that I reminded him of a friend from WWII. He said it was a code name, but he passed before He told me the story.

Uzrov_Omega · 07-09-2002, 12:45 PM

OK....here comes some more info. Thanks to everyone who has helped so far.

1.Toggle Inscription: S/42
2.Chamber Inscription: 1939
3.Toggle Knob Type: Circle and cross-hatched
4.Grip Saftey: Not Present
5.Stock Lug: Present
6.Caliber: 9mm
7.Grip Type: Mother of Pearl
8.Thumb Saftey: Safe in back position. The word GESICHERT is visable when saftey is on.
9.Markings: Marking# 46 on left side under chamber inscription. Serial number 5735, small letter o under serial number.
10.Barrel Length: 3 1/4 inches.
11.Markings on left side of extractor: Small eagle
(feathers pointing downward)
12.Descriptions of Front and Rear Sights: open sights.
13.Magazine and Bottom Plug Markings: 4497 and the letter B

Percentage on remailing bluing: 95%
Percentage of straw colored finish on parts: none?
Condition of bore: excellent
Condition of grips: excellent
Matching serial numbers: all yes
Correct matching magazines: no
Accessories: original holster, and contraband papers from WWII.

wterrell · 07-09-2002, 08:51 PM

Uzrov,

Could you possibly scan the contraband papers and post them?

Uzrov_Omega · 07-09-2002, 10:08 PM

Ill need to stop by the local Kinkos, but there is no problem there.

07-08-2002, 05:16 PM	#1
Uzrov_Omega User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: tennessee Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am new to the Luger, and I need HELP!!!! Here is the story in a nutshell. About 5 years ago a woman I now live with purchased a luger form an WWII veteran. Later inspecting the gun, she found that it was in VERY good condition. It was brought onto american soil by an army man named SGT.John T. Butts. I inspected the gun last night....it is in near perfect condition. There is no damage to the gun. A little bluing wear from 50+ years in the original holster. It also has the original contraband papers. The pistol is grease plugged. All of the serial numbers match. There are sevral Nazi symbols on the gun itself. It also has what seems to be mother of pearl grips?!? What we are trying to do is to gain information on the gun itself. Does anyone know what steps we might take? how to trace serial numbers? any information would be most appreciated.

07-08-2002, 05:23 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Micah, Go to our homepage at Lugerforum.com On the left is a link to technical information. using the identification sheets there, record all the information about the pistol. post that information here under the appropriate forum category and someone who is knowledgable about that type of Luger will reply with information about your gun. To get started the date of manufacture is over the chamber and the complete serial number is located on the front of the grip frame under the barrel... the complete serial number may include a small script letter suffix under the number... this letter is very important to the identification of your Luger and is part of the serial number. We shall wait to hear further from you... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-08-2002, 06:18 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Wm. Pete Ebbink is right... definitely post photographs if you can because condition is very subjective... Good closeup photos can be of great help in determining the condition and value of your Luger. BTW, there must be a real good story about your choice of username... how about filling us in? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-08-2002, 10:49 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	I don't think the grips are original. [img]wink.gif[/img] I don't know the sideplate looks a bit funny? But maybe just the angle? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-09-2002, 08:51 PM	#10
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Uzrov, Could you possibly scan the contraband papers and post them? __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

07-08-2002, 05:36 PM	#3
Uzrov_Omega User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: tennessee Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you John. More info to come.

07-08-2002, 06:10 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Micah, If you have a digital camera and can post some jpeg photos, our many resident luger experts can give you more definitive info. on your luger as well... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

07-08-2002, 10:43 PM	#6
Uzrov_Omega User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: tennessee Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is ...a pic of the Luger. Sorry for the poor quality, but it the best I can do for now. I am in the process of filling out the technical papers... This post edited by John Sabato to display the photo with your post...

07-08-2002, 11:06 PM	#8
Uzrov_Omega User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: tennessee Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	as for my user name.... phew..that is a long story. My grandfather on my fathers side gave me the name many years ago. He said that I reminded him of a friend from WWII. He said it was a code name, but he passed before He told me the story.

07-09-2002, 12:45 PM	#9
Uzrov_Omega User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: tennessee Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK....here comes some more info. Thanks to everyone who has helped so far. 1.Toggle Inscription: S/42 2.Chamber Inscription: 1939 3.Toggle Knob Type: Circle and cross-hatched 4.Grip Saftey: Not Present 5.Stock Lug: Present 6.Caliber: 9mm 7.Grip Type: Mother of Pearl 8.Thumb Saftey: Safe in back position. The word GESICHERT is visable when saftey is on. 9.Markings: Marking# 46 on left side under chamber inscription. Serial number 5735, small letter o under serial number. 10.Barrel Length: 3 1/4 inches. 11.Markings on left side of extractor: Small eagle (feathers pointing downward) 12.Descriptions of Front and Rear Sights: open sights. 13.Magazine and Bottom Plug Markings: 4497 and the letter B Percentage on remailing bluing: 95% Percentage of straw colored finish on parts: none? Condition of bore: excellent Condition of grips: excellent Matching serial numbers: all yes Correct matching magazines: no Accessories: original holster, and contraband papers from WWII.

07-09-2002, 10:08 PM	#11
Uzrov_Omega User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: tennessee Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ill need to stop by the local Kinkos, but there is no problem there.