DWM luger with 1939 date

Joegor1 · 07-07-2010, 03:18 PM

I inherited a 1939 Luger that is marked with the DWM scrollwork logo. My understanding is that the machinery from the DWM factory was moved to the Mouser factory around 1929. They continued to manufacture Lugars for a few more years using a mix of parts from both factories and mixed markings can be found on lugars dated in the early 1930’s. I would think that by 1939, all the old parts from DWM would have been used up.

The SN is 8685 and all the numbers match, except for the magazine. There are Nazi proof marks stamped on the side of the gun.

Can you give me some information on the origin of this lugar?

I have attached some photos below

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2010, 04:17 PM

Yes, but first, welcome to the forum. I would guess that the toggle is NOT marked with the same numbers of the last two of the serial number.

There were no DWM 1939's, so even if the numbers match, it is not correct.

The luger (notice the spelling, common mistake) was made by DWM up till about 1934 and then the tooling moved to Mauser and they made new lugers in 1935.

Ed

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Joegor1

... They continued to manufacture Lugars for a few more years using a mix of parts from both factories and mixed markings can be found on lugars dated in the early 1930’s. ...

this is one of those old stories, that is really not true. I am sure some parts were used, but you would not find a DWM toggle on Mauser proofed gun (there are some in the "u" suffix that might be mixed parts, but would have either DWM toggles or blank toggles, but these are exceptions.

Ed

Joegor1 · 07-07-2010, 08:54 PM

Thanks for the responses. The pics are of the same gun, just taken at different times. The toggle is stamped 85 (Image 89), as is the side under the toggle (image 93). I'll double check the grip material
( the gun is not here with me)

All the stamped parts have the same number (85)

Could this be a re manufactured gun?

New pics attached

Norme · 07-07-2010, 08:59 PM

Hi Joe, We are not imagining this. Picture #6 is of a different gun. Regards, Norm

Ron Smith · 07-08-2010, 09:53 AM

Note also, the difference in the finish between the toggle train and the receiver. DWM Rust Blue vs. Mauser Salt Blue.

Edward Tinker · 07-08-2010, 11:06 AM

So, the answer is No, it is a made up gun, not a factory or arsenal rework.

Ed

Joegor1 · 07-08-2010, 11:10 AM

My mistake. I accidentally included a picture (with yellow background) that I got off the internet when I was collecting info on Lugers. All the other pics are from the same gun

Lugerdoc · 07-08-2010, 01:02 PM

Joe, The DWM marked center toggle link is from a DWM commerical and may have been originally numbered inside, but more likely the matching number has been added. It woundn't have left the Mauser factory that way in 1939. TH

Joegor1 · 07-21-2010, 06:06 PM

Thanks for all the input.
After all is said and done, what would you say the original model of this gun would be and the street value

Norme · 07-31-2010, 10:04 PM

Hi Joe, Your gun is a mutt, half Mauser, half DWM, and as such is considered a shooter. Around here we figure shooters from $500.00 to $750.00, and I think your gun would be at the high end of that range. Regards, Norm

Joegor1 · 08-01-2010, 01:48 PM

Thank you for all your help and information

07-07-2010, 03:18 PM	#1
Joegor1 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWM luger with 1939 date I inherited a 1939 Luger that is marked with the DWM scrollwork logo. My understanding is that the machinery from the DWM factory was moved to the Mouser factory around 1929. They continued to manufacture Lugars for a few more years using a mix of parts from both factories and mixed markings can be found on lugars dated in the early 1930’s. I would think that by 1939, all the old parts from DWM would have been used up. The SN is 8685 and all the numbers match, except for the magazine. There are Nazi proof marks stamped on the side of the gun. Can you give me some information on the origin of this lugar? I have attached some photos below Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

07-07-2010, 04:17 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Yes, but first, welcome to the forum. I would guess that the toggle is NOT marked with the same numbers of the last two of the serial number. There were no DWM 1939's, so even if the numbers match, it is not correct. The luger (notice the spelling, common mistake) was made by DWM up till about 1934 and then the tooling moved to Mauser and they made new lugers in 1935. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-07-2010, 08:54 PM	#4
Joegor1 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the responses. The pics are of the same gun, just taken at different times. The toggle is stamped 85 (Image 89), as is the side under the toggle (image 93). I'll double check the grip material ( the gun is not here with me) All the stamped parts have the same number (85) Could this be a re manufactured gun? New pics attached Attached Thumbnails

07-08-2010, 01:02 PM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Joe, The DWM marked center toggle link is from a DWM commerical and may have been originally numbered inside, but more likely the matching number has been added. It woundn't have left the Mauser factory that way in 1939. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-07-2010, 08:59 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Joe, We are not imagining this. Picture #6 is of a different gun. Regards, Norm

07-08-2010, 09:53 AM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Note also, the difference in the finish between the toggle train and the receiver. DWM Rust Blue vs. Mauser Salt Blue. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-08-2010, 11:06 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	So, the answer is No, it is a made up gun, not a factory or arsenal rework. Ed

07-08-2010, 11:10 AM	#8
Joegor1 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My mistake. I accidentally included a picture (with yellow background) that I got off the internet when I was collecting info on Lugers. All the other pics are from the same gun

07-21-2010, 06:06 PM	#10
Joegor1 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the input. After all is said and done, what would you say the original model of this gun would be and the street value

07-31-2010, 10:04 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Joe, Your gun is a mutt, half Mauser, half DWM, and as such is considered a shooter. Around here we figure shooters from $500.00 to $750.00, and I think your gun would be at the high end of that range. Regards, Norm

08-01-2010, 01:48 PM	#12
Joegor1 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for all your help and information