How to repair?

Edward Tinker · 06-11-2007, 08:42 PM

A friend of mine is wondering how to repair this broken piece?

Ron Wood · 06-11-2007, 09:57 PM

Looks like a Ertal repro case (good quality repro) with an original cleaning rod. Repair of the rod is a job for a machinist. The broken shank must be drilled out of the top piece. To keep the rod its original length it should be reassembled with a dowel. The rod portion would need to be carefully drilled with the same diameter drill that was used to remove the shank from the top piece. Then a brass dowel of that diameter can be used to rejoin the two parts. Solder or "JB Weld" would make it a permanent joint. I am sure there are also other methods.

P.S. I believe Simpson's has a case like this currently for sale at $1795!

Pete Ebbink · 06-11-2007, 10:05 PM

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=3797

Ken Coyle out of Oregon makes a very nice case as well...even with aged metal corner reinforcements. Got to see his craftsmanship at Reno several times in the past.

cirelaw · 06-12-2007, 03:26 AM

ERIC,I did it again, I was trying out my new brass cleaning rod on my 1906 Fr my wife Debbie, Please, Ill pay a handsome reward to anyone, who can repair my blunder and keep their moth shut, I loaded the end with gauze, shoved it into the barrel, It got stuck, I twisted and the result is History, A clean break at the base of the barrel, I dare not tell Ralph, A handsome reward to anyone who can repair, discreetly, my French Buton, tks Eric Snookem13@aol.com.

cirelaw · 06-12-2007, 06:18 AM

You know, In have to state that both of You and Ed are some of the most geneerous, kind, respectful, knowlegable persons, that ive been blessed by the good Lord to encounter, in this life time, After making it though both a physical and spiritual rebirth,I am truly content. What I have now,, I am forever in debt for your unbriddled kindness, youve shown me since my awawaikening, and helping me regain my self respect. Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall inherit the earth. I finally know what those Word are meant to mean.

cirelaw · 06-12-2007, 08:19 AM

Am I reading the Simpson site right $1495.00 for my display case, I paid Ralph only $400.00 and I thought that was steep, Has anyone ever seen an original for sale and how much, more than the gun it holds!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-12-2007, 11:08 AM

Ron, I suspect this rod is not original but one of the repro's that have a screw on shaft. The screw on shaft type are very fragile as the screw section is less than half the fiameter of the main shaft. I would bet dollars to doughnuts a football linebacker could not twist off a full diameter brass cleaning rod shaft.
Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 06-12-2007, 11:14 AM

You may very well be right...what kind of doughnuts do you like?

cirelaw · 06-12-2007, 01:02 PM

I just sent you both closeup of the inside, blade and the barrel looks very old, Could someone post my inside shot because I owned for years never relizing the barren unscrews, I sent you both a closeup.

cirelaw · 06-12-2007, 01:16 PM

Dont jump to conclusion, Debbie can swear Ive broken, fallen and embarrased Her in some of the strangest places. BEAT THIS,IFELL AND BROKE MY ANKLE, IN MY ORTHOPEDIC SURGEONS' OFFICE, Right in front of the waiting room, Debbie and my Doc almost pissed themselves,Since then I have had to find another doctor, they didnt say why, I wonder???????

lugerholsterrepair · 06-12-2007, 01:17 PM

Eric, I did indeed recieve your excellent photo's and the screw in section is clearly in evidence. I could be wrong of course but I do not believe an original type rod was ever made with this screw on shaft feature. It is inherantly weak and prone to breakage. A very bad idea an completely unnecessary.
At any rate..I would not go to any great lengths to repair this one but instead, put my money towards aquiring an original.

Ron, No doughnuts necessary! I am trying to lose 20 pounds!
Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 06-12-2007, 03:40 PM

Jerry & Ron, Don't lose those doughnuts or pounds anywhere near me please... My body acts as a magnet to such things...

cirelaw · 06-14-2007, 08:09 AM

My Dunken Donut tale, Before my stroke/coma, we were headed towards the Orlano Gunshow, We stopped as usual to Dunken Donuts, Well I bit the wrong end of a jelly donut, squirting red jell all over my chest. Well when I arrived, they were ready to call the paramedics, Everybody thought I had just been shot, The rest was history. Its ashame Dunken Donuts, doesn't give out bibs!!!!!!!

06-11-2007, 08:42 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	How to repair? A friend of mine is wondering how to repair this broken piece?

06-11-2007, 09:57 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Looks like a Ertal repro case (good quality repro) with an original cleaning rod. Repair of the rod is a job for a machinist. The broken shank must be drilled out of the top piece. To keep the rod its original length it should be reassembled with a dowel. The rod portion would need to be carefully drilled with the same diameter drill that was used to remove the shank from the top piece. Then a brass dowel of that diameter can be used to rejoin the two parts. Solder or "JB Weld" would make it a permanent joint. I am sure there are also other methods. P.S. I believe Simpson's has a case like this currently for sale at $1795! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-12-2007, 11:08 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Ron, I suspect this rod is not original but one of the repro's that have a screw on shaft. The screw on shaft type are very fragile as the screw section is less than half the fiameter of the main shaft. I would bet dollars to doughnuts a football linebacker could not twist off a full diameter brass cleaning rod shaft. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-12-2007, 11:14 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	You may very well be right...what kind of doughnuts do you like? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-12-2007, 01:17 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Eric, I did indeed recieve your excellent photo's and the screw in section is clearly in evidence. I could be wrong of course but I do not believe an original type rod was ever made with this screw on shaft feature. It is inherantly weak and prone to breakage. A very bad idea an completely unnecessary. At any rate..I would not go to any great lengths to repair this one but instead, put my money towards aquiring an original. Ron, No doughnuts necessary! I am trying to lose 20 pounds! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-11-2007, 10:05 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=3797 Ken Coyle out of Oregon makes a very nice case as well...even with aged metal corner reinforcements. Got to see his craftsmanship at Reno several times in the past.

06-12-2007, 03:26 AM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	ERIC,I did it again, I was trying out my new brass cleaning rod on my 1906 Fr my wife Debbie, Please, Ill pay a handsome reward to anyone, who can repair my blunder and keep their moth shut, I loaded the end with gauze, shoved it into the barrel, It got stuck, I twisted and the result is History, A clean break at the base of the barrel, I dare not tell Ralph, A handsome reward to anyone who can repair, discreetly, my French Buton, tks Eric Snookem13@aol.com.

06-12-2007, 06:18 AM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You know, In have to state that both of You and Ed are some of the most geneerous, kind, respectful, knowlegable persons, that ive been blessed by the good Lord to encounter, in this life time, After making it though both a physical and spiritual rebirth,I am truly content. What I have now,, I am forever in debt for your unbriddled kindness, youve shown me since my awawaikening, and helping me regain my self respect. Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall inherit the earth. I finally know what those Word are meant to mean.

06-12-2007, 08:19 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Am I reading the Simpson site right $1495.00 for my display case, I paid Ralph only $400.00 and I thought that was steep, Has anyone ever seen an original for sale and how much, more than the gun it holds!

06-12-2007, 01:02 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I just sent you both closeup of the inside, blade and the barrel looks very old, Could someone post my inside shot because I owned for years never relizing the barren unscrews, I sent you both a closeup.

06-12-2007, 01:16 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Dont jump to conclusion, Debbie can swear Ive broken, fallen and embarrased Her in some of the strangest places. BEAT THIS,IFELL AND BROKE MY ANKLE, IN MY ORTHOPEDIC SURGEONS' OFFICE, Right in front of the waiting room, Debbie and my Doc almost pissed themselves,Since then I have had to find another doctor, they didnt say why, I wonder???????

06-12-2007, 03:40 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jerry & Ron, Don't lose those doughnuts or pounds anywhere near me please... My body acts as a magnet to such things... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-14-2007, 08:09 AM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My Dunken Donut tale, Before my stroke/coma, we were headed towards the Orlano Gunshow, We stopped as usual to Dunken Donuts, Well I bit the wrong end of a jelly donut, squirting red jell all over my chest. Well when I arrived, they were ready to call the paramedics, Everybody thought I had just been shot, The rest was history. Its ashame Dunken Donuts, doesn't give out bibs!!!!!!!