Halos on Germany Stamps

CJS57 · 03-14-2013, 06:01 PM

I found an older post which had a comment in it about a Germany stamp on an 1906 AE. This is a quote from post #10: "I have a BUG proofed '06 AE that is one of the most minty Lugers I own. It is #48710, Type V frame. The barrel markings have a halo but the GERMANY does not."

Anyone with a comment about Halos not being there on a Germany stamps? I do know that halos are normally there on most all guns! I know it is a red flag if they are not there. But I wonder are there any more exceptions like the gun mentioned above?

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=halos

drbuster · 03-14-2013, 07:32 PM

It is generally accepted that the GERMANY stamp on the frame front of the AE's in question do NOT have halos. It must have been stamped before blueing.

Norme · 03-14-2013, 07:32 PM

Hi Chris, Halos are a complex subject. If a pistol was marked before bluing, those marks will not show halos, if marks were applied after bluing, the halo effect should be visible. Since finishing and marking sequences varied model to model, and in some cases, year to year, you really need very specialized knowledge to determine what is correct. There is no "one size fits all" answer to your question.
Regards, Norm

Dwight Gruber · 03-14-2013, 07:38 PM

Here is the real question: ws GERMANY stamped on the front of the frame by the factory before shipping, or by the importer before passing through customs? I don't know the answer, and I'd really like to.

--Dwight

Zorba · 03-14-2013, 11:03 PM

As a complete newbie, I'd think that logic would dictate that GERMANY was stamped at the factory - as per the above discussion about halos and bluing. Be kind of hard for the importer to do it THEN blue the gun.

But my logic may be faulty - wouldn't be the first time!

drbuster · 03-15-2013, 09:15 AM

Dwight, being no stranger to things luger, brings up the big question that no one can answer for certain as there is no impeccable documentation. I've always wondered about the markings on the Stoeger imported lugers as well. In my humble opinion, I believe the GERMANY was stamped at the factory as the test lugers were not stamped. If the stamping was done in the U.S. perhaps the importing folks would have treated these test lugers just like other imported commercial lugers.

Ron Wood · 03-15-2013, 09:23 AM

Doc,
You are correct, the GERMANY is an export stamp, marked in country prior to exporting. Imported Lugers were not stamped in the U.S. with country of origin.

Dwight Gruber · 03-16-2013, 03:22 PM

Ron,

Any documentation around for this?

--Dwight

CJS57 · 03-16-2013, 04:49 PM

This may help a little.

"Country of Origin as a Dating Tool"

http://www.coxsackie.com/reference/cooaadt.htm

These are good too, scroll down.

http://books.google.com/books?id=dom...origin&f=false

http://www.wilkinsonfscollection.com...ariff_Act.html

Ben M. · 03-30-2013, 05:44 PM

this is a photo of a 1906 type american eagle luger with serial number 25707. it is recorded on dwight grubers list of commercial lugers.

as is clear from this photo, the germany stamping does have halo.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=2482

and this sellers shop has this one for sale and its got germany with halo marks too.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...7d2b6d6b0ba2e1

Found another m1900 ae with germany in halos.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=336511739

03-15-2013, 09:23 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Doc, You are correct, the GERMANY is an export stamp, marked in country prior to exporting. Imported Lugers were not stamped in the U.S. with country of origin. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-14-2013, 06:01 PM	#1
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	Halos on Germany Stamps I found an older post which had a comment in it about a Germany stamp on an 1906 AE. This is a quote from post #10: "I have a BUG proofed '06 AE that is one of the most minty Lugers I own. It is #48710, Type V frame. The barrel markings have a halo but the GERMANY does not." Anyone with a comment about Halos not being there on a Germany stamps? I do know that halos are normally there on most all guns! I know it is a red flag if they are not there. But I wonder are there any more exceptions like the gun mentioned above? http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=halos

03-14-2013, 07:32 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	It is generally accepted that the GERMANY stamp on the frame front of the AE's in question do NOT have halos. It must have been stamped before blueing.

03-14-2013, 07:32 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Chris, Halos are a complex subject. If a pistol was marked before bluing, those marks will not show halos, if marks were applied after bluing, the halo effect should be visible. Since finishing and marking sequences varied model to model, and in some cases, year to year, you really need very specialized knowledge to determine what is correct. There is no "one size fits all" answer to your question. Regards, Norm

03-14-2013, 07:38 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Here is the real question: ws GERMANY stamped on the front of the frame by the factory before shipping, or by the importer before passing through customs? I don't know the answer, and I'd really like to. --Dwight

03-14-2013, 11:03 PM	#5
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 951 Thanks: 776 Thanked 526 Times in 289 Posts	As a complete newbie, I'd think that logic would dictate that GERMANY was stamped at the factory - as per the above discussion about halos and bluing. Be kind of hard for the importer to do it THEN blue the gun. But my logic may be faulty - wouldn't be the first time!

03-15-2013, 09:15 AM	#6
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Dwight, being no stranger to things luger, brings up the big question that no one can answer for certain as there is no impeccable documentation. I've always wondered about the markings on the Stoeger imported lugers as well. In my humble opinion, I believe the GERMANY was stamped at the factory as the test lugers were not stamped. If the stamping was done in the U.S. perhaps the importing folks would have treated these test lugers just like other imported commercial lugers.

03-16-2013, 03:22 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Ron, Any documentation around for this? --Dwight

03-16-2013, 04:49 PM	#9
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	This may help a little. "Country of Origin as a Dating Tool" http://www.coxsackie.com/reference/cooaadt.htm These are good too, scroll down. http://books.google.com/books?id=dom...origin&f=false http://www.wilkinsonfscollection.com...ariff_Act.html

03-30-2013, 05:44 PM	#10
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 475 Thanks: 83 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	this is a photo of a 1906 type american eagle luger with serial number 25707. it is recorded on dwight grubers list of commercial lugers. as is clear from this photo, the germany stamping does have halo. http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=2482 and this sellers shop has this one for sale and its got germany with halo marks too. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...7d2b6d6b0ba2e1 Found another m1900 ae with germany in halos. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=336511739 Last edited by Ben M.; 04-14-2013 at 11:34 AM.