Snail Drum Canvas Carrier or Drum Pouch

Maestro · 12-29-2013, 11:22 PM

Does anyone have any idea regarding availability & estimated price for one of these canvas drum pouches as pictured in this example VS. the leather pouches (also availability, price)?

http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewt...&view=previous

Apparently, there are no documented evidence that the leather drum pouches were ever issued for use by the Imperial German Armed forces. Reproductions have been available since the 1980's (e.g. Gustav Reinhardt, Berlin, 1915 and 1916 dates). Original Leather drum pouches were apparently available for sale in the 1920's as after market commercial items (e.g. 1924 Pacific Arms Catalog ads).

The only documented original military carrying pouch is the canvas drum pouch or carrier, which is suspended by a loop on the belt. One canvas carrying pouch was issued with each drum magazine. The drum with the dust cover was stored in this bag.

Lastly, I guess, perhaps a cheaper option maybe a Canvas Bread Bag Pouch as a suitable alternative for the carrying the TM-08 and accessories. The MP-18 Instruction manual mentions the use of the bread bag (Brotbeutal)

Maestro · 12-29-2013, 11:59 PM

I'm not sure, but i believe this maybe an original leather pouch

Maestro · 12-30-2013, 12:37 AM

Imperial German Bread Bag for about $135-150.

LU1900 · 12-30-2013, 03:25 AM

I think all leather pouch are fantasy , and the trommels where make in 1917/18 so why pouch in 1915 ...
For canvas , some pics in action show them , pics from Klaus and George ; thank to them !
I own three canvas , it seems there different manufacture about them , but same form .
Currently more of the counterfeits are easily identifiable

Norme · 12-30-2013, 08:44 AM

Hi Darius, It's generally agreed that all leather trommel pouches are fake, the only genuine pouches are the canvas ones as illustrated in the manual. Original canvas pouches are very rare and sell for close to $1,000.00 in decent condition.
Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2013, 10:46 AM

Norme is right IMO. Fairly decent repro canvas pouches are available from IMF I think?

George Anderson · 12-30-2013, 11:55 AM

As I recall, I paid about $1000 each for my pouches. Great War Militaria in Chambersburg, PA made and sold excellent copies of the canvas pouch in the past. They may still have some.

Maestro · 12-30-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Darius, It's generally agreed that all leather trommel pouches are fake, the only genuine pouches are the canvas ones as illustrated in the manual. Original canvas pouches are very rare and sell for close to $1,000.00 in decent condition.
Regards, Norm

very cool picture of the manual, i was missing.. thanks Norm.

alanint · 12-31-2013, 06:48 AM

Very interesting troops photo as well. The soldier on the left appears to be issuing brand new bayonet frogs to the others.

cneider · 01-06-2014, 09:45 PM

This is some good information. I was ALMOST going to by a reproduction leather snail drum carrier from IMA to go with the reproduction snail drum I bought from Numrich. As it turned out, the Numrich snail drum jammed in both my Artillery Model Luger and my 1920's commercial Luger.

ithacaartist · 01-09-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cneider

This is some good information. I was ALMOST going to by a reproduction leather snail drum carrier from IMA to go with the reproduction snail drum I bought from Numrich. As it turned out, the Numrich snail drum jammed in both my Artillery Model Luger and my 1920's commercial Luger.

Their quality control is apparently sketchy, but I believe others who had malfunctioning ones swapped them back to Numrich for ones that worked.

12-29-2013, 11:22 PM	#1
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	Snail Drum Canvas Carrier or Drum Pouch Does anyone have any idea regarding availability & estimated price for one of these canvas drum pouches as pictured in this example VS. the leather pouches (also availability, price)? http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewt...&view=previous Apparently, there are no documented evidence that the leather drum pouches were ever issued for use by the Imperial German Armed forces. Reproductions have been available since the 1980's (e.g. Gustav Reinhardt, Berlin, 1915 and 1916 dates). Original Leather drum pouches were apparently available for sale in the 1920's as after market commercial items (e.g. 1924 Pacific Arms Catalog ads). The only documented original military carrying pouch is the canvas drum pouch or carrier, which is suspended by a loop on the belt. One canvas carrying pouch was issued with each drum magazine. The drum with the dust cover was stored in this bag. Lastly, I guess, perhaps a cheaper option maybe a Canvas Bread Bag Pouch as a suitable alternative for the carrying the TM-08 and accessories. The MP-18 Instruction manual mentions the use of the bread bag (Brotbeutal) Attached Thumbnails

12-29-2013, 11:59 PM	#2
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	I'm not sure, but i believe this maybe an original leather pouch Attached Thumbnails

12-30-2013, 12:37 AM	#3
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	Imperial German Bread Bag for about $135-150. Attached Thumbnails

12-30-2013, 03:25 AM	#4
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 900 Thanks: 35 Thanked 461 Times in 193 Posts	I think all leather pouch are fantasy , and the trommels where make in 1917/18 so why pouch in 1915 ... For canvas , some pics in action show them , pics from Klaus and George ; thank to them ! I own three canvas , it seems there different manufacture about them , but same form . Currently more of the counterfeits are easily identifiable __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

12-30-2013, 08:44 AM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Darius, It's generally agreed that all leather trommel pouches are fake, the only genuine pouches are the canvas ones as illustrated in the manual. Original canvas pouches are very rare and sell for close to $1,000.00 in decent condition. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

12-30-2013, 10:46 AM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,852 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,426 Posts	Norme is right IMO. Fairly decent repro canvas pouches are available from IMF I think? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-30-2013, 11:55 AM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	As I recall, I paid about $1000 each for my pouches. Great War Militaria in Chambersburg, PA made and sold excellent copies of the canvas pouch in the past. They may still have some.

12-31-2013, 06:48 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Very interesting troops photo as well. The soldier on the left appears to be issuing brand new bayonet frogs to the others.

01-06-2014, 09:45 PM	#10
cneider User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 59 Thanks: 28 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	This is some good information. I was ALMOST going to by a reproduction leather snail drum carrier from IMA to go with the reproduction snail drum I bought from Numrich. As it turned out, the Numrich snail drum jammed in both my Artillery Model Luger and my 1920's commercial Luger.