Help please

policeluger · 09-16-2005, 09:57 AM

can someone tell me what grip strap marking "S.UP.I.55.R." means/translates to...thanks very much

SteveM · 09-16-2005, 10:51 AM

check your PM..

Herb · 09-16-2005, 11:38 AM

What year and manufacture is the pistol?

Ron Smith · 09-16-2005, 11:54 PM

Howard, Is there an Umlaut over the U, as in S.Ã??P.I.55.R. ?

policeluger · 09-17-2005, 11:02 AM

The gun, A C96, is on Simpson's "what's new" page, does not show the proof its self and the gun is a bit questionable in my opinion, and I am trying to talk myself out of it, but was interested in finding out about the proof....just got a Weimar police from Check Point Charlie and will try to post pictures....thanks for any help

Pete Ebbink · 09-17-2005, 11:51 AM

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2936

Don M · 09-17-2005, 12:59 PM

Howard,

This is probably a pre-1922 Schupo or Sipo mark but, without seeing a photo of the mark, I can't hazard a guess. Is it on the front of the grip strap or the front of the mag well?

The "R." represents precinct police (Revierhauptmannschaft or Revierpolizei) and may be a post-1922 addition to the mark.

I'll be interested in your posting of your new Weimar police (Luger?).

policeluger · 09-17-2005, 01:17 PM

Don, sorry I as not clear, the new gun is a C-96, not Luger, Weimar police property stamped, not a cut barrel, matching numbers, far east?? dipped blue and I will post pictures as soon as I can, easer for me is to email them to you if you would send you address.....this is one reason it would be nice to have a Luger fest....I would bring my humble collection for you pleasure and I would hope to see what you have horded away

...take a look at the Simpson broom and give me your opinion...not un-matched numbers, and not all numbers shown...

Don M · 09-17-2005, 02:11 PM

Howard, you may email me at donmaus1@aol.com.

I looked at the Simpson posting and it doesn't say where the unit mark is located. I have seen them on the front grip strap and on the front of the mag well. The mag well location probably indicates an earlier mark.

I will go out on a limb: The mark may be "Op." and not "UP." I have found that most people are not that precise when reporting police marks. I have also seen an instance of an Op. mark that was reported as OP. because the lower-case p. was displaced upward and looked like an upper-case letter. If so, this mark is from the Prussian governmental district of Oppeln.

My real collection is my unit mark database. My Luger collection numbers only 3 but is about to jump to 5!

George Anderson · 09-17-2005, 11:20 PM

My money says it's a Truppen Ubungsplatz Reichswehr pistol. I think that they may have misread the marking.

Of course I am probably wrong and the money referred to above is only $2.00.

policeluger · 09-17-2005, 11:24 PM

George, could you please translate that, thanks

Ron Smith · 09-18-2005, 05:38 PM

Howard,
Truppen Ã??bungsplatz is a troop training center. A Boot Camp pistol, but the S shouldn't be there unless it is marked out of sequence. Then it could be Truppen Ã??bungplatz Senne 1st battalion waffe #55.

Don's translation sounds good too. It seems more probable that a C96 would be religated to a training unit. IMO.

Ron

policeluger · 09-18-2005, 07:14 PM

Ron, and all...thanks very much.

Don M · 09-18-2005, 07:58 PM

Howard, et al.,

For what it's worth, I have a record in my database of a C96 with the unit mark "S.Op.IV." There was no weapon number listed in my source; however, I believe this indicates C96s were used, at least during the early 1920s, by the Schupo in Oppeln.

Ron Smith · 09-18-2005, 09:27 PM

Howard, buy the pistol and post some photos so we can solve the mystery.

Ron

09-16-2005, 09:57 AM	#1
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Help please can someone tell me what grip strap marking "S.UP.I.55.R." means/translates to...thanks very much

09-16-2005, 11:38 AM	#3
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What year and manufacture is the pistol? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

09-16-2005, 11:54 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Howard, Is there an Umlaut over the U, as in S.Ã??P.I.55.R. ? __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-17-2005, 12:59 PM	#7
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Howard, This is probably a pre-1922 Schupo or Sipo mark but, without seeing a photo of the mark, I can't hazard a guess. Is it on the front of the grip strap or the front of the mag well? The "R." represents precinct police (Revierhauptmannschaft or Revierpolizei) and may be a post-1922 addition to the mark. I'll be interested in your posting of your new Weimar police (Luger?). __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-17-2005, 02:11 PM	#9
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Howard, you may email me at donmaus1@aol.com. I looked at the Simpson posting and it doesn't say where the unit mark is located. I have seen them on the front grip strap and on the front of the mag well. The mag well location probably indicates an earlier mark. I will go out on a limb: The mark may be "Op." and not "UP." I have found that most people are not that precise when reporting police marks. I have also seen an instance of an Op. mark that was reported as OP. because the lower-case p. was displaced upward and looked like an upper-case letter. If so, this mark is from the Prussian governmental district of Oppeln. My real collection is my unit mark database. My Luger collection numbers only 3 but is about to jump to 5! __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-16-2005, 10:51 AM	#2
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	check your PM..

09-17-2005, 11:02 AM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	The gun, A C96, is on Simpson's "what's new" page, does not show the proof its self and the gun is a bit questionable in my opinion, and I am trying to talk myself out of it, but was interested in finding out about the proof....just got a Weimar police from Check Point Charlie and will try to post pictures....thanks for any help

09-17-2005, 11:51 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2936

09-17-2005, 01:17 PM	#8
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Don, sorry I as not clear, the new gun is a C-96, not Luger, Weimar police property stamped, not a cut barrel, matching numbers, far east?? dipped blue and I will post pictures as soon as I can, easer for me is to email them to you if you would send you address.....this is one reason it would be nice to have a Luger fest....I would bring my humble collection for you pleasure and I would hope to see what you have horded away ...take a look at the Simpson broom and give me your opinion...not un-matched numbers, and not all numbers shown...

09-17-2005, 11:20 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	My money says it's a Truppen Ubungsplatz Reichswehr pistol. I think that they may have misread the marking. Of course I am probably wrong and the money referred to above is only $2.00.

09-17-2005, 11:24 PM	#11
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	George, could you please translate that, thanks

09-18-2005, 05:38 PM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Howard, Truppen Ã??bungsplatz is a troop training center. A Boot Camp pistol, but the S shouldn't be there unless it is marked out of sequence. Then it could be Truppen Ã??bungplatz Senne 1st battalion waffe #55. Don's translation sounds good too. It seems more probable that a C96 would be religated to a training unit. IMO. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-18-2005, 07:14 PM	#13
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Ron, and all...thanks very much.

09-18-2005, 07:58 PM	#14
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Howard, et al., For what it's worth, I have a record in my database of a C96 with the unit mark "S.Op.IV." There was no weapon number listed in my source; however, I believe this indicates C96s were used, at least during the early 1920s, by the Schupo in Oppeln. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-18-2005, 09:27 PM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Howard, buy the pistol and post some photos so we can solve the mystery. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...