C 96 / LUGER HOLSTER CONVERSION

MIKE MORRIS · 04-28-2003, 12:19 PM

[IMG]C 96 / LUGER HOLSTER CONVERSION[/IMG] Admin Note: see photos below

THIS IS A PICTURE OF A PICTURE THAT I TOOK AT DACHAU CONCENTRATION CAMP OFFICES MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. UPON A RECENT VISIT, IT AND MANY " CONTROVERSIAL " PHOTOS WERE MISSING. I'M GLAD I THOUGHT TO TAKE IT AS A HISTORICAL LINK TO THE LUGER HOLSTER IS GONE TO TIME. IT CAME WITH MY K. L. LUGER INSIDE (AND A PAIR OF CAMP COLLAR TABS WITH K 6 ON THEM ) FROM A VET THAT WALKED INTO A HOUSTON ASTRO SHOW, MANY YEARS AGO. I STILL HAVE THE GROUPING. I'VE ONLY SEEN 2 IN ALL MY YEARS, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY MORE. ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS......MIKE

John Sabato · 04-28-2003, 12:30 PM

Welcome to the Lugerforum Mike,

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MIKE MORRIS · 04-28-2003, 12:40 PM

HERE IS THE PICTURE

(Enhanced photo inserted by Admin -JS)

Ron Wood · 04-28-2003, 01:05 PM

Welcome abord Mike!! I just got off the phone with Mike after talking him through uploading his picture. He just found out about the Forum at the Tulsa show, so now I hope he will be a regular contributor. He has a ton of period photos and lots of stories (some of them are even true!). I am sure we will enjoy his company and I think he will enjoy ours.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-28-2003, 01:33 PM

Mike, Welcome to our group! Glad to have a man of your experience here with us.

What exactly are we looking at in this photo? I see many types of holsters, one in particular? Thanks, I look forward to hearing what you have to offer.

You don't happen to have any period photo's of soldiers wearing Luger lanyards do you? Jerry Burney

Navy · 04-28-2003, 02:34 PM

All,
it has been my pleasure to know and do business with Mike for a Number of years. He is honest, exceptionally knowledgable and will make a great addition to the forum.
Welcome Myky,
Tommy

Thor · 04-28-2003, 02:51 PM

That holster looks like the one shown on page 244 of "Weimar Lugers" by Jan Still for DWM Luger serialized "M10" appears to be a police Luger.

Ron Wood · 04-28-2003, 02:52 PM

Jerry,
If you look at the two guys on the left, you will see that even though they are "shooting" Lugers, the holsters are for the C96 that evidently have been converted to use with Lugers. (This is obviously a posed picture because if they are actually shooting, I wouldn't want to be in the front row!) The title of Mike's first post is "C96/Luger Holster Conversion". I have never seen such a conversion, so this is really an interesting revelation.

John Sabato · 04-28-2003, 03:19 PM

Please check Mike's post above... I inserted an enchanced and color corrected copy of his photo...

ViggoG · 07-16-2003, 04:38 AM

Ron,
I would not want to start a Pro and Con Discusssion at this late date but I feel that this could have been a practice formation used in Some of the various Attrocities and for possible uprisings.
The rear row in the formation was so placed to step forward and fill the gap for reloading and firearm failure.
A standard military formation to meet mass control problems that was a typical formation of the Central and Eastern European Armies.
A hold over from pre WW-1 Days.
Just My Opinion.
And a beautiful touch up job on a second or third generation picture, Looks as good or better than the original.
It sure must be nice to have the Know how to use these New Fangled Computer Tools!
ViggoG

John Sabato · 07-16-2003, 09:10 AM

Viggo,

just my speculation here... but since the formation is so wide and the fact that the soldiers in the rear rank have their pistols elevated... I would respectfully disagree with your assessment... Even in those embittered times... most NCOs took care of their soldiers and to allow the potential of a discharge from a rear rank pistol to wound, kill, or even damage the hearing of a soldier in the front rank would be too risky for this to be anything but a sight alignment training session... at least I would hope that this was the case...

What do you say we stick to the subject of Lugers... before we drift off on a subject that I would probably have to nuke... with the delete key...

ViggoG · 07-17-2003, 05:04 AM

John,
My Apologies for transgressing Good Taste!
Yor assessment is correct, on both Counts
ViggoG

John Sabato · 07-17-2003, 12:49 PM

No problem Viggo An old lifer like me is quick to protect his troops... and I can't think of any kind of training more dangerous than showing folks how to use a pistol (except maybe hand grenade and claymore mine training... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> )

I just thought of something else...

Since they are all wearing what appears to be holsters from another type of pistol that have been modified to carry Lugers... it is likely that this training session occurred right after they were issued the new Lugers to replace the old type pistol...likely Mauser 96's...

04-28-2003, 12:19 PM	#1
MIKE MORRIS User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: BULVERDE, TEXAS Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	C 96 / LUGER HOLSTER CONVERSION [IMG]C 96 / LUGER HOLSTER CONVERSION[/IMG] Admin Note: see photos below THIS IS A PICTURE OF A PICTURE THAT I TOOK AT DACHAU CONCENTRATION CAMP OFFICES MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. UPON A RECENT VISIT, IT AND MANY " CONTROVERSIAL " PHOTOS WERE MISSING. I'M GLAD I THOUGHT TO TAKE IT AS A HISTORICAL LINK TO THE LUGER HOLSTER IS GONE TO TIME. IT CAME WITH MY K. L. LUGER INSIDE (AND A PAIR OF CAMP COLLAR TABS WITH K 6 ON THEM ) FROM A VET THAT WALKED INTO A HOUSTON ASTRO SHOW, MANY YEARS AGO. I STILL HAVE THE GROUPING. I'VE ONLY SEEN 2 IN ALL MY YEARS, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY MORE. ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS......MIKE __________________ MIKE MORRIS

04-28-2003, 12:30 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Welcome to the Lugerforum Mike, For your photo to show in your post, the syntax between the UBB tags must include a complete URL... If the photo is not available on the internet, you may upload the photo to the forum server using the link that appears on the left of the Lugerforum.com homepage. Once the photo has been correctly uploaded, the URL is presented for you to copy and paste into a post such as this one. There is a photo posting tutorial in the Site Help & Feedback forum that was written by Ed Tinker... In the future it would be appreciated if you would type your posts using both UPPER and lower case... it makes them easier to read, AND UPPER CASE is interpreted by most internet users as SHOUTING... Thanks and once again, welcome... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-28-2003, 12:40 PM	#3
MIKE MORRIS User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: BULVERDE, TEXAS Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HERE IS THE PICTURE (Enhanced photo inserted by Admin -JS) __________________ MIKE MORRIS

04-28-2003, 01:05 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Welcome abord Mike!! I just got off the phone with Mike after talking him through uploading his picture. He just found out about the Forum at the Tulsa show, so now I hope he will be a regular contributor. He has a ton of period photos and lots of stories (some of them are even true!). I am sure we will enjoy his company and I think he will enjoy ours. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-28-2003, 01:33 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Mike, Welcome to our group! Glad to have a man of your experience here with us. What exactly are we looking at in this photo? I see many types of holsters, one in particular? Thanks, I look forward to hearing what you have to offer. You don't happen to have any period photo's of soldiers wearing Luger lanyards do you? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-28-2003, 02:34 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, it has been my pleasure to know and do business with Mike for a Number of years. He is honest, exceptionally knowledgable and will make a great addition to the forum. Welcome Myky, Tommy

04-28-2003, 02:51 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	That holster looks like the one shown on page 244 of "Weimar Lugers" by Jan Still for DWM Luger serialized "M10" appears to be a police Luger. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-28-2003, 02:52 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Jerry, If you look at the two guys on the left, you will see that even though they are "shooting" Lugers, the holsters are for the C96 that evidently have been converted to use with Lugers. (This is obviously a posed picture because if they are actually shooting, I wouldn't want to be in the front row!) The title of Mike's first post is "C96/Luger Holster Conversion". I have never seen such a conversion, so this is really an interesting revelation. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-28-2003, 03:19 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Please check Mike's post above... I inserted an enchanced and color corrected copy of his photo... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-16-2003, 04:38 AM	#10
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron, I would not want to start a Pro and Con Discusssion at this late date but I feel that this could have been a practice formation used in Some of the various Attrocities and for possible uprisings. The rear row in the formation was so placed to step forward and fill the gap for reloading and firearm failure. A standard military formation to meet mass control problems that was a typical formation of the Central and Eastern European Armies. A hold over from pre WW-1 Days. Just My Opinion. And a beautiful touch up job on a second or third generation picture, Looks as good or better than the original. It sure must be nice to have the Know how to use these New Fangled Computer Tools! ViggoG

07-16-2003, 09:10 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Viggo, just my speculation here... but since the formation is so wide and the fact that the soldiers in the rear rank have their pistols elevated... I would respectfully disagree with your assessment... Even in those embittered times... most NCOs took care of their soldiers and to allow the potential of a discharge from a rear rank pistol to wound, kill, or even damage the hearing of a soldier in the front rank would be too risky for this to be anything but a sight alignment training session... at least I would hope that this was the case... What do you say we stick to the subject of Lugers... before we drift off on a subject that I would probably have to nuke... with the delete key... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-17-2003, 05:04 AM	#12
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John, My Apologies for transgressing Good Taste! Yor assessment is correct, on both Counts ViggoG

07-17-2003, 12:49 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	No problem Viggo An old lifer like me is quick to protect his troops... and I can't think of any kind of training more dangerous than showing folks how to use a pistol (except maybe hand grenade and claymore mine training... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> ) I just thought of something else... Since they are all wearing what appears to be holsters from another type of pistol that have been modified to carry Lugers... it is likely that this training session occurred right after they were issued the new Lugers to replace the old type pistol...likely Mauser 96's... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*