CMP 1911's

Edward Tinker · 04-07-2019, 01:54 PM

So the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) received 8,000 1911's last year, and they went through a ton of hoops to do so
** built a huge vault / room
** had to get an FFL license (for rifles, no FFL was required by them, as they are chartered by congress)
** set up completely different operations
** two background checks required (people got all upset by this, and an FFL 03 was not allowed, I thought, big deal)

They received 19,000 applications - this after tons of information released (some true, some not) on how to get one. Many folks have said that the guns would be crap, would be mismatched junk, over-priced - that they were far to expensive. It was expected they'd still get 60-75,000 applications, however, they received 19,000 for less than 8,000 guns.

I like 1911's, as I carried one in the army for about 3/4 of my career - so I put my name in and luckily received random generated number 3953 - was notified two weeks ago that I was too pay and it would be sent to me within 90 days (they say that to keep folks from getting mad if it takes a while, I noticed its usually a few days to 2 weeks).
Cost were for two types - Service grade ($1050) and Field grade ($950) - when they called, whichever or both were available, when I was called, only service grade was offered and naturally I took it (had set aside spending money for several months

)
Within the costs, you received a nice solid case to hold it, Technical manual, military bore brush and shipping was included.

It came in Friday and I picked it up from a local FFL on Saturday. I was expecting anything from a total mixmaster (mixed slide and frame), to a 'new' 1980s 'hardslide' which I did not really want to get, but it would have been fine. What I really wanted was a Rem Rand - and I received - purely by luck, a nice rebuilt Remington Rand, at one time it was rebuilt by Springfield and another unmarked rebuild before storage -

So, received a nice Remington Rand upper and lower from early 1944. Even a almost new looking HS (high standard) barrel...

abukafura · 04-07-2019, 02:09 PM

Happy for you, ED. Way to go. I didn't apply for a .45 because I thought I would never get one....too many others would want them. Guess I had a chance after all.

sheepherder · 04-07-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

...I received - purely by luck, a nice rebuilt by Springfield and another rebuild - Remington Rand upper and lower from early 1944.

Somewhat confusing - You received two CMP .45's???

Edward Tinker · 04-07-2019, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Somewhat confusing - You received two CMP .45's???

NO, reworded it

It is a Remington Rand that received an SA rebuild
Then a rebuild or at least repark that is not marked / stamped on it before placing into storage

Roadster 02 · 04-07-2019, 04:24 PM

Good for you! Hope you enjoy it.

I've bought M1 carbines from the CMP, but they can keep those 1911's. Too many hoops to jump through for me.

rhuff · 04-07-2019, 06:01 PM

Congrats Ed....enjoy. I thought about applying, but I have a nice 1944 Colt 1911A1, and there seemed to be a lot of hoops to jump through. Glad you persisted, and got what you wanted.

Edward Tinker · 04-07-2019, 06:48 PM

The only extra hoop was going through an FFL, everything else was the same, just a new packet to CMP 1911 (although every three years you have to do a new packet with rifles too.)

gunnertwo · 04-07-2019, 09:16 PM

Nice looking gun, you did well.

G2

WG dog · 04-08-2019, 06:37 AM

It's beautiful!

Sergio Natali · 04-10-2019, 05:58 AM

It's a SPRINGFIELD ARMORY rework, very nice one too, congratulations for your acquisition.

Edward Tinker · 04-10-2019, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

It's a SPRINGFIELD ARMORY rework, very nice one too, congratulations for your acquisition.

Yes, I am sorry, I assumed that folks would assume if rebuilt by SA, that is was springfield armory.

rolandtg · 04-10-2019, 12:37 PM

Very nice and well worth the effort, imo.
Did it come with a period magazine?

Edward Tinker · 04-10-2019, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rolandtg

Very nice and well worth the effort, imo.
Did it come with a period magazine?

It came with a 1980's NSN mag - I put a S marked (Scovill) into it.

Mister Sunshine · 04-10-2019, 03:32 PM

I bought a 1911 thru the DCM in the early 1960s for $19.50 It was made by Colt of course and it was in excellent condition with the original diamond walnut grips. The pistol you bought appears to be in great condition as well. I am sure you will get many years of enjoyment shooting it.

Zorba · 04-10-2019, 09:01 PM

I didn't jump into that pool as I have a very nice 1944 RemRand promised to me. However, I'm not wanting to collect it as its current owner must pass through the veil before I get it. But I can wait!

The amount of angst on the CMP forum over the subject of the 1911s just doesn't cease to amaze me.

MW2152 · 04-10-2019, 10:41 PM

Zorba, you sure called it about the angst. I think the CMP Admin is about ready to strangle some of the posters there. I read the official CMP replies just for the entertainment value alone!

It’s been interesting hearing about those guns tho and seeing what people have gotten too. Being one of the unlucky souls who had a number over 10,000, I have to hope that they release the next batch of 10,000 or 9,000, for the 2019 year. Then I will be ok.

And Ed - that is a nice one that you got. Enjoy!

Zorba · 04-11-2019, 12:41 AM

Some of them sound like a bunch of whining children on "that epic website of teenaged angst", rather than mature (??) adults on a firearms forum! I'd imagine there are more than a few of the folks at the CMP who are starting to wish they'd never even THOUGHT about starting the 1911 program!

rhuff · 04-11-2019, 02:51 PM

Like my momma used to say, "some folks wouldn't be happy if they were hung with a new rope"!!

foxdoublegunner · 04-12-2019, 07:57 PM

Ed,
Very nice M1911A1 that you received. My number was 3523. I was hoping for either an Ithaca or a Colt and I received an Ithaca lower and a WW2 Colt slide together with a nice WW2 magazine. Funny how that worked out. It has rebuild markings from 1978. Very pleased with the quality of the rebuild. I fired it for the first time Wednesday and it shot point of aim-point of impact at 7 yards in a good tight group but I must admit that I think that the sights have shrunken quite a bit since I last carried one on active duty.
When I was called, I was offered a Field Grade or Service Grade model and chose the Field Grade as my dream would have been an M1911 model from WW1. Over the past several months I have been collecting the WW1 pistol belt, two tone magazine, canteen with cup and carrier, first aid kit and a unit marked holster. In the end I got a nice WW2 M1911A1 model which is just fine. I still feel as if I won the lottery.

Foxdoublegunner

Douglas Jr. · 04-12-2019, 08:25 PM

Fantastic purchase! Well worth the money and the wait.
Now you can celebrate your past years as a MP.
Douglas.

04-07-2019, 01:54 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	CMP 1911's So the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) received 8,000 1911's last year, and they went through a ton of hoops to do so built a huge vault / room had to get an FFL license (for rifles, no FFL was required by them, as they are chartered by congress) set up completely different operations two background checks required (people got all upset by this, and an FFL 03 was not allowed, I thought, big deal) They received 19,000 applications - this after tons of information released (some true, some not) on how to get one. Many folks have said that the guns would be crap, would be mismatched junk, over-priced - that they were far to expensive. It was expected they'd still get 60-75,000 applications, however, they received 19,000 for less than 8,000 guns. I like 1911's, as I carried one in the army for about 3/4 of my career - so I put my name in and luckily received random generated number 3953 - was notified two weeks ago that I was too pay and it would be sent to me within 90 days (they say that to keep folks from getting mad if it takes a while, I noticed its usually a few days to 2 weeks). Cost were for two types - Service grade ($1050) and Field grade ($950) - when they called, whichever or both were available, when I was called, only service grade was offered and naturally I took it (had set aside spending money for several months ) Within the costs, you received a nice solid case to hold it, Technical manual, military bore brush and shipping was included. It came in Friday and I picked it up from a local FFL on Saturday. I was expecting anything from a total mixmaster (mixed slide and frame), to a 'new' 1980s 'hardslide' which I did not really want to get, but it would have been fine. What I really wanted was a Rem Rand - and I received - purely by luck, a nice rebuilt Remington Rand, at one time it was rebuilt by Springfield and another unmarked rebuild before storage - So, received a nice Remington Rand upper and lower from early 1944. Even a almost new looking HS (high standard) barrel... Attached Thumbnails

04-07-2019, 06:01 PM	#6
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,692 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	Congrats Ed....enjoy. I thought about applying, but I have a nice 1944 Colt 1911A1, and there seemed to be a lot of hoops to jump through. Glad you persisted, and got what you wanted. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

04-10-2019, 05:58 AM	#10
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	It's a SPRINGFIELD ARMORY rework, very nice one too, congratulations for your acquisition. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-11-2019, 02:51 PM	#18
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,692 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	Like my momma used to say, "some folks wouldn't be happy if they were hung with a new rope"!! __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

04-07-2019, 02:09 PM	#2
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	Happy for you, ED. Way to go. I didn't apply for a .45 because I thought I would never get one....too many others would want them. Guess I had a chance after all.

04-07-2019, 04:24 PM	#5
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 302 Thanks: 165 Thanked 233 Times in 79 Posts	Good for you! Hope you enjoy it. I've bought M1 carbines from the CMP, but they can keep those 1911's. Too many hoops to jump through for me.

04-07-2019, 06:48 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	The only extra hoop was going through an FFL, everything else was the same, just a new packet to CMP 1911 (although every three years you have to do a new packet with rifles too.)

04-07-2019, 09:16 PM	#8
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 607 Thanks: 807 Thanked 909 Times in 351 Posts	Nice looking gun, you did well. G2

04-08-2019, 06:37 AM	#9
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	It's beautiful!

04-10-2019, 12:37 PM	#12
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 471 Thanks: 363 Thanked 255 Times in 111 Posts	Very nice and well worth the effort, imo. Did it come with a period magazine?

04-10-2019, 03:32 PM	#14
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I bought a 1911 thru the DCM in the early 1960s for $19.50 It was made by Colt of course and it was in excellent condition with the original diamond walnut grips. The pistol you bought appears to be in great condition as well. I am sure you will get many years of enjoyment shooting it.

04-10-2019, 09:01 PM	#15
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 951 Thanks: 776 Thanked 526 Times in 289 Posts	I didn't jump into that pool as I have a very nice 1944 RemRand promised to me. However, I'm not wanting to collect it as its current owner must pass through the veil before I get it. But I can wait! The amount of angst on the CMP forum over the subject of the 1911s just doesn't cease to amaze me.

04-10-2019, 10:41 PM	#16
MW2152 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 50 Thanks: 11 Thanked 35 Times in 20 Posts	Zorba, you sure called it about the angst. I think the CMP Admin is about ready to strangle some of the posters there. I read the official CMP replies just for the entertainment value alone! It’s been interesting hearing about those guns tho and seeing what people have gotten too. Being one of the unlucky souls who had a number over 10,000, I have to hope that they release the next batch of 10,000 or 9,000, for the 2019 year. Then I will be ok. And Ed - that is a nice one that you got. Enjoy!

04-11-2019, 12:41 AM	#17
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 951 Thanks: 776 Thanked 526 Times in 289 Posts	Some of them sound like a bunch of whining children on "that epic website of teenaged angst", rather than mature (??) adults on a firearms forum! I'd imagine there are more than a few of the folks at the CMP who are starting to wish they'd never even THOUGHT about starting the 1911 program!

04-12-2019, 07:57 PM	#19
foxdoublegunner User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: California and Nevada Posts: 98 Thanks: 63 Thanked 67 Times in 29 Posts	Ed, Very nice M1911A1 that you received. My number was 3523. I was hoping for either an Ithaca or a Colt and I received an Ithaca lower and a WW2 Colt slide together with a nice WW2 magazine. Funny how that worked out. It has rebuild markings from 1978. Very pleased with the quality of the rebuild. I fired it for the first time Wednesday and it shot point of aim-point of impact at 7 yards in a good tight group but I must admit that I think that the sights have shrunken quite a bit since I last carried one on active duty. When I was called, I was offered a Field Grade or Service Grade model and chose the Field Grade as my dream would have been an M1911 model from WW1. Over the past several months I have been collecting the WW1 pistol belt, two tone magazine, canteen with cup and carrier, first aid kit and a unit marked holster. In the end I got a nice WW2 M1911A1 model which is just fine. I still feel as if I won the lottery. Foxdoublegunner

04-12-2019, 08:25 PM	#20
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Fantastic purchase! Well worth the money and the wait. Now you can celebrate your past years as a MP. Douglas.