Quick Question: How German say "relined"?

alvin · 03-11-2010, 08:26 AM

Relined bore, how does German say that? TIA

Ron Wood · 03-11-2010, 10:14 AM

neu liniert? Bohrung erneuert?

Norme · 03-11-2010, 10:56 AM

According to Herr Google, it's unterfuttert (the u has an umlaut). Regards

Sieger · 03-11-2010, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Relined bore, how does German say that? TIA

Hi:

Thats an interesting question. Do you think your barrel is relined?

Sieger

Vlim · 03-11-2010, 02:13 PM

Nachziehen / Nachgezogen.

A barrel is relined = Ein Lauf ist Nachgezogen.

Ron Wood · 03-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Gerben,
I am sure you have the proper term a German would use, but it has the same connotation that I couldn't quite resolve when I tried to come up with a term (hence the question marks). It seems to me that nachgozogen would indicate "re-rifled" rather than "relined"...same result but not necessarily the same process. Not disputing your terms, lord knows my German isn't equal to the task!

Edward Tinker · 03-11-2010, 04:24 PM

When I was in Belgium; the Waloon part (they speak dutch), I asked the lady at the Bakerie (bakery), what they called doughnuts; as they had some (most places didn't; its an american thing).

She very slowly and a bit loudly said; D O U G H N U T S and laughed; which we did too, my entire family uses that as an inside joke, if we don't know how to pronounce something, we say, D O U G H N U T S....

Ed

alvin · 03-11-2010, 05:55 PM

Asking this question because I have seen a few very late 1930 (s/n > 910,000) having muzzle like this..... originally, what in my mind was "did relining in German language also start with 'R' ? as part of 'R/W' appearing on the barrel?" or "Rework?", but wait a minute, that's in English, not in German...

So, German relining has nothing to do with "R". That guess was wrong.....

The first gun that I saw this type of muzzle was a very late 1930 claimed being found on U-505 (captured by U.S. Navy in 1944, but no official document to proof the gun s/n 912184 was related with that boat. For God reason, more and more I felt that story was actually true, but it's not mine). Later on, I saw couple of more. This is one of them. When things concentrated on unusual places in certain serial range from independent sources, there could be some previously untold histories on this thing.....

Let me know what you think, thanks.

suum cuique · 03-11-2010, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Nachziehen / Nachgezogen.

A barrel is relined = Ein Lauf ist Nachgezogen.

According to the dictionary:
"Woerterbuch der Waffentechnik" , written by Joachim Goertz.

Deutsch -Englisch English-German :

rerifling = nachziehen (von Laeufen)
I couldn't find the word "relined" or "relining" in the dictionary.

Vlim · 03-12-2010, 01:48 PM

That's one of the challenges of translating. Sometimes words or phrases that exist in one language don't exist in other languages

My favorite, but unproven theory is that WR or RW is actuall RW and simply stands for 'RockWell'

alvin · 03-12-2010, 05:56 PM

The muzzle of late barrel was so ugly..... peer of Norinco's quality. No, I take the statement back -- even Norinco does better.

Compare with earlier "WM" barrel, and compare with Spanish, only a few years earlier.

There must be something, but I don't know. Might be assembling from parts, then no one cared....

klaus 3338 · 03-13-2010, 11:50 AM

A relined bore is a nachgezogener Lauf. No other meaning would be possible.
It´s nice to see that you also have the problems with the translations- so I feel not so alone!
Regards Klaus

John Sabato · 03-17-2010, 11:37 AM

Danke Klaus!

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Gerben, I am sure you have the proper term a German would use, but it has the same connotation that I couldn't quite resolve when I tried to come up with a term (hence the question marks). It seems to me that nachgozogen would indicate "re-rifled" rather than "relined"...same result but not necessarily the same process. Not disputing your terms, lord knows my German isn't equal to the task! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-11-2010, 04:24 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	When I was in Belgium; the Waloon part (they speak dutch), I asked the lady at the Bakerie (bakery), what they called doughnuts; as they had some (most places didn't; its an american thing). She very slowly and a bit loudly said; D O U G H N U T S and laughed; which we did too, my entire family uses that as an inside joke, if we don't know how to pronounce something, we say, D O U G H N U T S.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-11-2010, 05:55 PM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Asking this question because I have seen a few very late 1930 (s/n > 910,000) having muzzle like this..... originally, what in my mind was "did relining in German language also start with 'R' ? as part of 'R/W' appearing on the barrel?" or "Rework?", but wait a minute, that's in English, not in German... So, German relining has nothing to do with "R". That guess was wrong..... The first gun that I saw this type of muzzle was a very late 1930 claimed being found on U-505 (captured by U.S. Navy in 1944, but no official document to proof the gun s/n 912184 was related with that boat. For God reason, more and more I felt that story was actually true, but it's not mine). Later on, I saw couple of more. This is one of them. When things concentrated on unusual places in certain serial range from independent sources, there could be some previously untold histories on this thing..... Let me know what you think, thanks. Attached Thumbnails

03-11-2010, 10:56 AM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	According to Herr Google, it's unterfuttert (the u has an umlaut). Regards

03-11-2010, 02:13 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Nachziehen / Nachgezogen. A barrel is relined = Ein Lauf ist Nachgezogen.

03-12-2010, 01:48 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	That's one of the challenges of translating. Sometimes words or phrases that exist in one language don't exist in other languages My favorite, but unproven theory is that WR or RW is actuall RW and simply stands for 'RockWell'

03-12-2010, 05:56 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The muzzle of late barrel was so ugly..... peer of Norinco's quality. No, I take the statement back -- even Norinco does better. Compare with earlier "WM" barrel, and compare with Spanish, only a few years earlier. There must be something, but I don't know. Might be assembling from parts, then no one cared.... Attached Thumbnails

03-13-2010, 11:50 AM	#12
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 513 Thanks: 0 Thanked 395 Times in 156 Posts	A relined bore is a nachgezogener Lauf. No other meaning would be possible. It´s nice to see that you also have the problems with the translations- so I feel not so alone! Regards Klaus

03-17-2010, 11:37 AM	#13
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