Identify this P.08

Doug G. · 02-06-2003, 06:37 PM

Who can tell me what this is?

Edward Tinker · 02-06-2003, 06:51 PM

Since I am never good at this, will for once, throw in my 6 cents.

Navy characteristics, six inch barrel, rear sight.

Prototype? But has round type of toggle?

Just impressions of course, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Thor · 02-06-2003, 07:36 PM

Almost looks like a 1920 Commercial DWM that someone put a Navy barrel and rear sight on. The rear sight bluing is not the same (or lack thereof) as the rear of the receiver and the barrel looks SALT blued to me and the majority of the rest of the gun is rust blued. From the picture it looks like a crown N on the receiver (commerical) and an M on the breech block, perhaps the whole toggle train is off an Original Navy. Like Steve Martin the comedian says " What the Bleeep is that???" BTW, the frame looks like an Erfurt frame to me, not a DWM but the pictures are clear enough, or close enough to be sure.

Hugh · 02-06-2003, 07:48 PM

Dwight Gruber · 02-06-2003, 09:07 PM

I'd bet on part of it being a postwar Commercial. It looks like the top of the receiver has been (pretty heavily) ground, and I'm suspicious that the right side of the receiver has been sanded. There is no date on the left frame rail, so the frame is not a Navy.

It looks like there is a mark on the barrel on the left near the back (right side, as well), but it is very indistinct in the photograph. Also, it is too indistinct to tell if there is a date on the left side of the front sight base.

I agree about the Navy toggle train, and the left receiver stamp sure looks like a C/N. I wonder, if it has a large-head rear toggle pin, or small.

I'd like to see better photos of the front sight, barrel rear left and right, and to know what the serial numbers are.

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 02-07-2003, 03:41 AM

Overall configuration is that of an O8 Navy or later, but hard to read proofing and marking details. Tom H.

Doug G. · 02-07-2003, 05:41 AM

Well you all got it right! It is a 1920 alphabet Sn# 2051 M, I got the matching # 51 toggle train off of a 1936 Kreighoff and the barrel from Tom Heller. The barrel is in .30 Luger and is supposed to be an original "old" stock from the 30's. I still have the original matching upper for this gun. Ted I think I will be sending it to you soon to do your new DWM blue on both uppers and the lower. Hugh did the re-barrel. All in all it ought to be a fun gun for the range. Keep in mind that this obviously was not an attempt to make a fake Navy, but for what I've got invested in it I don't care! <img border="0" alt="[blabla]" title="" src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" />

02-06-2003, 06:37 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Identify this P.08 Who can tell me what this is? __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

02-06-2003, 06:51 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Since I am never good at this, will for once, throw in my 6 cents. Navy characteristics, six inch barrel, rear sight. Prototype? But has round type of toggle? Just impressions of course, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-06-2003, 07:36 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Almost looks like a 1920 Commercial DWM that someone put a Navy barrel and rear sight on. The rear sight bluing is not the same (or lack thereof) as the rear of the receiver and the barrel looks SALT blued to me and the majority of the rest of the gun is rust blued. From the picture it looks like a crown N on the receiver (commerical) and an M on the breech block, perhaps the whole toggle train is off an Original Navy. Like Steve Martin the comedian says " What the Bleeep is that???" BTW, the frame looks like an Erfurt frame to me, not a DWM but the pictures are clear enough, or close enough to be sure. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-06-2003, 07:48 PM	#4
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02-07-2003, 03:41 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Overall configuration is that of an O8 Navy or later, but hard to read proofing and marking details. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-06-2003, 09:07 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	I'd bet on part of it being a postwar Commercial. It looks like the top of the receiver has been (pretty heavily) ground, and I'm suspicious that the right side of the receiver has been sanded. There is no date on the left frame rail, so the frame is not a Navy. It looks like there is a mark on the barrel on the left near the back (right side, as well), but it is very indistinct in the photograph. Also, it is too indistinct to tell if there is a date on the left side of the front sight base. I agree about the Navy toggle train, and the left receiver stamp sure looks like a C/N. I wonder, if it has a large-head rear toggle pin, or small. I'd like to see better photos of the front sight, barrel rear left and right, and to know what the serial numbers are. --Dwight

02-07-2003, 05:41 AM	#7
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Well you all got it right! It is a 1920 alphabet Sn# 2051 M, I got the matching # 51 toggle train off of a 1936 Kreighoff and the barrel from Tom Heller. The barrel is in .30 Luger and is supposed to be an original "old" stock from the 30's. I still have the original matching upper for this gun. Ted I think I will be sending it to you soon to do your new DWM blue on both uppers and the lower. Hugh did the re-barrel. All in all it ought to be a fun gun for the range. Keep in mind that this obviously was not an attempt to make a fake Navy, but for what I've got invested in it I don't care! <img border="0" alt="[blabla]" title="" src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" /> __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain