Firing Pin Numbering Question

Dwight Gruber · 04-09-2006, 11:21 AM

The question recently came up about whether or not firing pins are numbered in post-1921 DWM commercial Lugers. A DWM u suffix commercial was reported with no serial number, and another u suffix gun was examined with a matching number and a Imperial c/Letter InspectorÃ¢??s stamp.

A while back I did a brief survey of postwar 5-digit commercials, which established among other things that firing pins of these guns are most likely to be found un-numbered. I would like to extend this knowledge to the DWM Alphabet Commercial production. If you can report the serial number characteristics of an Alphabet Commercial, particularly in the s, t, u suffix range, IÃ¢??d appreciate it if you would post the information.

--Dwight

wlyon · 04-09-2006, 01:03 PM

Dwight. 1) S/N 8032o Matching F/P 2)8025i Kreighoff back inscribed. No number

BogeyB · 04-09-2006, 09:11 PM

Dwight,

S/n 4033 o no number.

Mike

Don M · 04-09-2006, 09:17 PM

Dwight,

s/n 3299q; matching slotted firing pin w/ all four digits.

Ron Smith · 04-09-2006, 10:20 PM

Dwight, # 2655 t no number.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 04-09-2006, 10:52 PM

Dwight, I combined my two areas, you'll see why, very interesting looking at my guns this way:

All are police, with either sear and mag, and one has neither but police unit stamped...

1920 DWM 6276m crown N left side, police, firing pin fluted not numbered, forgot to look at breechblock

1929 DWM, 3124u, firing pin non-fluted, not numbered, breechblock has another number on rear besides sn.

1928 DWM, 2139r, crown n on left, firing pin numbered, Police, breechblock #48 on rear, but sn of 39 on left

1928 DWM, 7287r, police, crown n on left and crown g; firing pin stamped and fluted, breechblock has a #3 on rear, not numbered on sides

19171920 has imperial on right, and crown N on left! serial 2558t, firing pin numbered, breechblock nothing (police rework)

1920/1921 DWM, Police, 5634 sear and mag, firing pin fluted, no number, rear of breechblock has a 67

1921 sear, crown n on left, sn 83591a firing pin is fluted and has sn, breechblock has a #19 on rear and sn on the left.

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 04-10-2006, 02:23 AM

Bill, Mike, Don, Ron, Ed,

Lots of good data here, thanks very much.

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 04-10-2006, 09:56 AM

Dwight, From the above data, I believe that you will find that most all new production Weimar commerical lugers originally came with unnumbered unfluted firing pins (also unnumbered safety bar & lever and BB. The front toggle link and extractor are usually numbered internally. Reworks of earlier WW1 PO8 and later reworks for the police & military may have these parts numbered in the military fashion. TH

04-09-2006, 01:03 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,529 Times in 943 Posts	Dwight. 1) S/N 8032o Matching F/P 2)8025i Kreighoff back inscribed. No number __________________ Bill Lyon

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Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dwight, # 2655 t no number. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-10-2006, 09:56 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Dwight, From the above data, I believe that you will find that most all new production Weimar commerical lugers originally came with unnumbered unfluted firing pins (also unnumbered safety bar & lever and BB. The front toggle link and extractor are usually numbered internally. Reworks of earlier WW1 PO8 and later reworks for the police & military may have these parts numbered in the military fashion. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-09-2006, 11:21 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Firing Pin Numbering Question The question recently came up about whether or not firing pins are numbered in post-1921 DWM commercial Lugers. A DWM u suffix commercial was reported with no serial number, and another u suffix gun was examined with a matching number and a Imperial c/Letter InspectorÃ¢??s stamp. A while back I did a brief survey of postwar 5-digit commercials, which established among other things that firing pins of these guns are most likely to be found un-numbered. I would like to extend this knowledge to the DWM Alphabet Commercial production. If you can report the serial number characteristics of an Alphabet Commercial, particularly in the s, t, u suffix range, IÃ¢??d appreciate it if you would post the information. --Dwight

04-09-2006, 09:11 PM	#3
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	Dwight, S/n 4033 o no number. Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

04-09-2006, 09:17 PM	#4
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Dwight, s/n 3299q; matching slotted firing pin w/ all four digits. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

04-09-2006, 10:52 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,914 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,504 Times in 2,079 Posts	Dwight, I combined my two areas, you'll see why, very interesting looking at my guns this way: All are police, with either sear and mag, and one has neither but police unit stamped... 1920 DWM 6276m crown N left side, police, firing pin fluted not numbered, forgot to look at breechblock 1929 DWM, 3124u, firing pin non-fluted, not numbered, breechblock has another number on rear besides sn. 1928 DWM, 2139r, crown n on left, firing pin numbered, Police, breechblock #48 on rear, but sn of 39 on left 1928 DWM, 7287r, police, crown n on left and crown g; firing pin stamped and fluted, breechblock has a #3 on rear, not numbered on sides 19171920 has imperial on right, and crown N on left! serial 2558t, firing pin numbered, breechblock nothing (police rework) 1920/1921 DWM, Police, 5634 sear and mag, firing pin fluted, no number, rear of breechblock has a 67 1921 sear, crown n on left, sn 83591a firing pin is fluted and has sn, breechblock has a #19 on rear and sn on the left. Ed

04-10-2006, 02:23 AM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Bill, Mike, Don, Ron, Ed, Lots of good data here, thanks very much. --Dwight