New Luger 1939- S/42 w/sear safety

ncblksmth1 · 07-19-2012, 05:49 PM

Are all lugers with sear safeties police guns?

What does a sear safety mean in the realm of collecting lugers?

Does a sear safety make a luger more or less valuable?

Is there any body out there? Just knock if you can hear me.

sheepherder · 07-19-2012, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncblksmth1

Are all lugers with sear safeties police guns?

What does a sear safety mean in the realm of collecting lugers?

Does a sear safety make a luger more or less valuable?

Is there any body out there? Just knock if you can hear me.

Some of us work for a living. Hold on while I shower, let the dogs out, feed them, and get a handful of M&M's...

ncblksmth1 · 07-19-2012, 08:37 PM

Yea. LOL

alanint · 07-19-2012, 10:00 PM

When did we install the 24hr help line?

Edward Tinker · 07-19-2012, 10:17 PM

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

all sear safeties are police

a 1939 police is fairly rare

did you read the FAQ yet?

did you do a search on the forum?

folks here are very nice, but sometimes when folks are demanding, well, they get their backs up, me excepted

ok, sometimes not me too, yes we are all human, and if you wait a month, you will see a new book call Police Lugers that will be published and released in September

if all goes well

cdmech · 07-19-2012, 11:05 PM

Just nod if you can here me...
Marc

ncblksmth1 · 07-19-2012, 11:11 PM

Didnt mean to get anyones back up.
I didnt know if anyone monitors this forum like some of the others. I have read a number of posts and it seems to me that not many "forum Vultures" are on this forum. Seems to be real info without an agenda. Unline another german "?.eu" where the deal is to steal merchandise.

Thanks for the replies and I didnt mean to get anyone upset.

Pink floyd is a favorite.

Is there anyone at home. Actually referrs to personal mental health. Not mine though Im perfectly insane. LOL

ncblksmth1 · 07-19-2012, 11:15 PM

I did search the forum. Thats how I found out what that cute little bar was. This one is in the 8000 numbers with an "N" letter. all matching but the mag. All down to the firing pin etc. . . It has had the barrel and extension refinished but I dont know when. It has the folded winged eagle on the barrel and eagle/63 twice on the right side of the extension. Grips have a 2 digit number in them in a larger but similar font.

Bob

Edward Tinker · 07-20-2012, 07:26 AM

IF the barrel and receiver have been refinished, that affects value considerably.

Pictures are needed

Jack Lawman · 07-20-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ncblksmth1

Pink floyd is a favorite.

Sorry, I can't help you. I'm just a lost soul who exchanged a walk on part in a war for a leading role in a cage.

Jack

sheepherder · 07-20-2012, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncblksmth1

Are all lugers with sear safeties police guns?

What does a sear safety mean in the realm of collecting lugers?

Does a sear safety make a luger more or less valuable?

OK. here;s a bit more on police Lugers, from what I've read here (experts, correct me if I'm wrong)...

A Police Luger may have come from military or commercial sources; pics will determine which. Military Lugers converted to police use can include re-barreled artillery models (characterized by the sight clearance notch in the receiver) and 7.65 commercial Lugers re-barreled to 9mm, which will have a crown over N proof mark. Police Lugers may or may not have a magazine safety as well as the sear safety. The magazine safety will likely be disabled by cutting the magazine trip off. The cuts and hole in the frame may be welded shut and re-blued, or left empty with the remnants of the safety removed.

I'm sure there are other distinctive features of police Lugers; other members please continue the list...

There are collectors who specialize in police Lugers, and to them, a police Luger is more valuable than a comparable military/commercial Luger. To others, it may be less valuable.

There are some rarities in police Lugers. The 7.65 caliber comes to mind (although I forget which police unit used them),

My personal favorite is the railroad police Lugers.

Now, if I could, I'd like to finish my peanut M&M's...

whcoyote · 07-20-2012, 10:02 PM

Postino:
Not all Lugers with sight clearance notches in the receiver top were "Artillerys" (LP.08). All late war Erfurts had this notch and none of them were LP.08s.
Bob

Edward Tinker · 07-20-2012, 10:04 PM

Bob, he should buy Police Lugers by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker, then he could point to it

sheepherder · 07-21-2012, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whcoyote

Postino:
Not all Lugers with sight clearance notches in the receiver top were "Artillerys" (LP.08). All late war Erfurts had this notch and none of them were LP.08s.
Bob

Correct. That is why my post says "can include re-barreled artillery models (characterized by the sight clearance notch"...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Bob, he should buy Police Lugers by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker, then he could point to it

I'm saving my money for the latest (and best) edition; hopefully being released soon...

nukem556 · 07-21-2012, 12:32 PM

Well, cool...who would have thought there were so many Floydians on the Luger Forum?

whcoyote · 07-21-2012, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

Correct. That is why my post says "can include re-barreled artillery models (characterized by the sight clearance notch"...

I'm saving my money for the latest (and best) edition; hopefully being released soon...

That's not exactly what you said. Read your whole statement in-context. You say, "Military Lugers converted to police use can include re-barreled artillery models (characterized by the sight clearance notch in the receiver). You are correct in saying that police reworks can include Artillery models. Then you continue to say "artillery models (characterized by the sight clearance notch in the receiver) - which implies that a sight clearance notch in the receiver characterizes an artillery model. This is not so. Erfurt P.08s had this clearance notch also.
I stand by my post!
Bob

ithacaartist · 07-22-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by nukem556

Well, cool...who would have thought there were so many Floydians on the Luger Forum?

in the same spirit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA5POB9bqSQ

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...a sight clearance notch in the receiver characterizes an artillery model...

Guys, here's a way to look at it: Though Artillery Lugers absolutely needed the top fronts of the barrel extensions relieved to allow the tangent sight mounted on the barrel to fully function, is it not true that after a certain date (1914 comes to mind, for no coherent reason.) all P.08 barrel extensions (military, at least) had the same relief, regardless of ultimate configuration? I remember reading a possible explanation, that to do them all actually was more efficient than keeping them sorted out.

So, wouldn't one resort to the serial number of a P.08 converted from an LP.08 to have any clue to discovering this conversion? I'm thinking other clues would be marks documenting the conversion, characteristics of the replacement (or not) barrel, and maybe the rear toggle link, which would be swapped in--to provide a rear sight to replace the tangent sight on the former long barrel.

So, does the notch on my 1917/1920 DWM military mean it was originally an Artie, or was it made since the cut bacame typical? I know this started out being about a police Luger, but now I'm wondering.

sheepherder · 07-22-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

So, does the notch on my 1917/1920 DWM military mean it was originally an Artie, or was it made since the cut bacame typical? I know this started out being about a police Luger, but now I'm wondering.

If whcoyote is correct (and why not?), then only Erfurts had the notch without actually being artilleries. Your DWM would have been an artillery originally. DWM would have added the extra machining step for arties; Erfurt decided to make them all with the notch (until artilleries were discontinued - in 1914 you say?).

Makes sense. Or as much sense as anything in the Luger world.

Let's keep going. Discussion poses more questions; which prompts more answers.

milburn · 07-22-2012, 03:55 PM

I started out simply enjoying the thread, and then reached over the end of the bed behind me and picked up my Luger. Which is a double date (1917/1920) and also has the relief cut on the chamber for the sight. Still has the regular three military proofs and a SN without a letter, making it (I think) the first part of 1917 production. (3699) It does not have the calibre markings on the bottom of the bbl. The stamping of the SN on the bbl is relatively faint and a slightly smaller size.

The rest of the pistol is matching with another SN. So who did the mixing of the bbl/extension and the rest of the pistol? Do I have an Erfurt/DWM mix or?

I also appreciate knowing what to call the "ears". It's not really a "receiver," so it's good to know what the general "name" for that part of the pistol is."

I had no idea I'd suddenly be inspired to become of part of this erudite discussion.

nukem556 · 07-22-2012, 09:56 PM

you mean on the back of the frame? I call em toggle ramps, for lack of a better term

07-19-2012, 05:49 PM	#1
ncblksmth1 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New Luger 1939- S/42 w/sear safety Are all lugers with sear safeties police guns? What does a sear safety mean in the realm of collecting lugers? Does a sear safety make a luger more or less valuable? Is there any body out there? Just knock if you can hear me.

07-19-2012, 10:17 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss all sear safeties are police a 1939 police is fairly rare did you read the FAQ yet? did you do a search on the forum? folks here are very nice, but sometimes when folks are demanding, well, they get their backs up, me excepted ok, sometimes not me too, yes we are all human, and if you wait a month, you will see a new book call Police Lugers that will be published and released in September if all goes well __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-21-2012, 12:32 PM	#15
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Well, cool...who would have thought there were so many Floydians on the Luger Forum? Attached Images

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ncblksmth1 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yea. LOL

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cdmech User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218 Thanks: 87 Thanked 134 Times in 55 Posts	Just nod if you can here me... Marc

07-19-2012, 11:11 PM	#7
ncblksmth1 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Didnt mean to get anyones back up. I didnt know if anyone monitors this forum like some of the others. I have read a number of posts and it seems to me that not many "forum Vultures" are on this forum. Seems to be real info without an agenda. Unline another german "?.eu" where the deal is to steal merchandise. Thanks for the replies and I didnt mean to get anyone upset. Pink floyd is a favorite. Is there anyone at home. Actually referrs to personal mental health. Not mine though Im perfectly insane. LOL

07-19-2012, 11:15 PM	#8
ncblksmth1 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I did search the forum. Thats how I found out what that cute little bar was. This one is in the 8000 numbers with an "N" letter. all matching but the mag. All down to the firing pin etc. . . It has had the barrel and extension refinished but I dont know when. It has the folded winged eagle on the barrel and eagle/63 twice on the right side of the extension. Grips have a 2 digit number in them in a larger but similar font. Bob

07-20-2012, 07:26 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	IF the barrel and receiver have been refinished, that affects value considerably. Pictures are needed

07-20-2012, 10:02 PM	#12
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Postino: Not all Lugers with sight clearance notches in the receiver top were "Artillerys" (LP.08). All late war Erfurts had this notch and none of them were LP.08s. Bob

07-20-2012, 10:04 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Bob, he should buy Police Lugers by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker, then he could point to it

07-22-2012, 03:55 PM	#19
milburn User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	I started out simply enjoying the thread, and then reached over the end of the bed behind me and picked up my Luger. Which is a double date (1917/1920) and also has the relief cut on the chamber for the sight. Still has the regular three military proofs and a SN without a letter, making it (I think) the first part of 1917 production. (3699) It does not have the calibre markings on the bottom of the bbl. The stamping of the SN on the bbl is relatively faint and a slightly smaller size. The rest of the pistol is matching with another SN. So who did the mixing of the bbl/extension and the rest of the pistol? Do I have an Erfurt/DWM mix or? I also appreciate knowing what to call the "ears". It's not really a "receiver," so it's good to know what the general "name" for that part of the pistol is." I had no idea I'd suddenly be inspired to become of part of this erudite discussion.

07-22-2012, 09:56 PM	#20
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	you mean on the back of the frame? I call em toggle ramps, for lack of a better term