1917 DWM Artillery

Karl52 · 03-09-2013, 03:00 PM

I think I posted in the wrong area initially .I have been offered a non matching 1917 artillery model with shoulder board and one mag in trade for a Hk P 7 PSP with 3 mags plus $300.00 receiver does not match the rest of gun The shoulder board is likely a repro.what would be a representative value for the Luger, I have always wanted a Arty, but not to the point of bending. How much should I pay the PSP is in very good to excellent with the cash it is about a $1400.00/1500 trade. I am a little leery of parts guns and their value ,help would be most welcome

Ron Wood · 03-09-2013, 05:35 PM

I think you would come out on the short end of that deal. To my mind, your Hk is worth more than the LP08.

alanint · 03-09-2013, 06:54 PM

Ron,
I would agree. Not a fair trade.

ithacaartist · 03-09-2013, 07:53 PM

I already responded over on the other thread, but once the value of the P7 is stated, the math says I agree with Norm and Doug. The three hundred bucks should be traveling the other direction in this trade!

lugerholsterrepair · 03-09-2013, 08:09 PM

An Artillery as you describe might bring $800-1000 and one must be sure it actually shoots. Parts Lugers might not function all that well.

Karl52 · 03-10-2013, 05:58 PM

Able to add photos If Mr Tinker sees this, I was told that you appraised and evaluated this gun

lugerholsterrepair · 03-10-2013, 06:25 PM

Karl..Even though Ed may have seen this pistol..it doesn’t mean he looked at it close enough for a buying opinion. May have just given it a cursory look. I just don’t know. He can tell you though.
Especially if he was interested in an Am. Eagle at the time.
If these are the best photo's you can get either the seller is hiding something or he needs the money to buy a better camera. Either way I would not buy a pistol based on those photo's.

alanint · 03-10-2013, 06:32 PM

The P7s are getting harder and harder to find. A decent on can sell for as high as $1.200

Edward Tinker · 03-10-2013, 06:33 PM

I looked at this artillery - and I told the seller his price was a bit high, but the comments that the $300 should go the other way? What??? I have always been able to sell a mismatched arty for around $1000 (min) and usually $1100 to $1200 - an Odin repro stock is worth $100-$200 on ebay and that is included.

Personally, I have no desire to have newer guns so the deal would only interest me going the luger way.

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 03-10-2013, 06:43 PM

The P7s are getting harder and harder to find.

I seem to remember these guns experiencing some weird breakage problems of some sort?

Edward Tinker · 03-10-2013, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

The P7s are getting harder and harder to find.
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well, in ref to the PM I was sent, but I can't imagine spending that much for a new gun...

lugerholsterrepair · 03-10-2013, 07:50 PM

but I can't imagine spending that much for a new gun...Yeah but people think we are crazy paying as much as we do for Lugers..

alanint · 03-11-2013, 06:49 AM

The HK P7 is a desirable home defense or carry gun, because they are extremely accurate, well made and have a very flat profile. They require minimum training as there are no safeties to learn and they are considered much safer than a Glock. They are also all Garman made, as they have never had a US partner or factory here in the US produce them. The ones on the market are usually police trade-ins in excellent shape, although examples can be still obtained new as well.

They have a certain mystique and rarety, which has driven the price up. The only downside I have found to them is that they do get uncomfortably hot in the hand when firing repeated shots.

An ultimate fair trade would be up to the individuals participating, but as a purely business like proposition, I think an even trade would be fair to both. You could certainly convert the P7 into cash much more quickly than the Luger.

03-09-2013, 03:00 PM	#1
Karl52 New User Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917 DWM Artillery I think I posted in the wrong area initially .I have been offered a non matching 1917 artillery model with shoulder board and one mag in trade for a Hk P 7 PSP with 3 mags plus $300.00 receiver does not match the rest of gun The shoulder board is likely a repro.what would be a representative value for the Luger, I have always wanted a Arty, but not to the point of bending. How much should I pay the PSP is in very good to excellent with the cash it is about a $1400.00/1500 trade. I am a little leery of parts guns and their value ,help would be most welcome

03-09-2013, 05:35 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,097 Times in 1,676 Posts	I think you would come out on the short end of that deal. To my mind, your Hk is worth more than the LP08. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-09-2013, 07:53 PM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,285 Thanks: 7,019 Thanked 2,479 Times in 1,321 Posts	I already responded over on the other thread, but once the value of the P7 is stated, the math says I agree with Norm and Doug. The three hundred bucks should be traveling the other direction in this trade! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-09-2013, 08:09 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,857 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	An Artillery as you describe might bring $800-1000 and one must be sure it actually shoots. Parts Lugers might not function all that well. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-10-2013, 05:58 PM	#6
Karl52 New User Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Able to add photos If Mr Tinker sees this, I was told that you appraised and evaluated this gun Attached Thumbnails

03-09-2013, 06:54 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Ron, I would agree. Not a fair trade.

03-10-2013, 06:25 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,857 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Karl..Even though Ed may have seen this pistol..it doesn’t mean he looked at it close enough for a buying opinion. May have just given it a cursory look. I just don’t know. He can tell you though. Especially if he was interested in an Am. Eagle at the time. If these are the best photo's you can get either the seller is hiding something or he needs the money to buy a better camera. Either way I would not buy a pistol based on those photo's. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-10-2013, 06:32 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The P7s are getting harder and harder to find. A decent on can sell for as high as $1.200

03-10-2013, 06:33 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I looked at this artillery - and I told the seller his price was a bit high, but the comments that the $300 should go the other way? What??? I have always been able to sell a mismatched arty for around $1000 (min) and usually $1100 to $1200 - an Odin repro stock is worth $100-$200 on ebay and that is included. Personally, I have no desire to have newer guns so the deal would only interest me going the luger way. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-10-2013, 06:43 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,857 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	The P7s are getting harder and harder to find. I seem to remember these guns experiencing some weird breakage problems of some sort? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-10-2013, 07:50 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,857 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	but I can't imagine spending that much for a new gun...Yeah but people think we are crazy paying as much as we do for Lugers.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-11-2013, 06:49 AM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The HK P7 is a desirable home defense or carry gun, because they are extremely accurate, well made and have a very flat profile. They require minimum training as there are no safeties to learn and they are considered much safer than a Glock. They are also all Garman made, as they have never had a US partner or factory here in the US produce them. The ones on the market are usually police trade-ins in excellent shape, although examples can be still obtained new as well. They have a certain mystique and rarety, which has driven the price up. The only downside I have found to them is that they do get uncomfortably hot in the hand when firing repeated shots. An ultimate fair trade would be up to the individuals participating, but as a purely business like proposition, I think an even trade would be fair to both. You could certainly convert the P7 into cash much more quickly than the Luger.