found a 1918 Erfurt 7.65 serial number 25

padredan · 02-09-2012, 12:47 PM

i found this interesting looking 1918 Erfurt in 9mm cal , serial number 25, aftermarket mag, numbers matching, note the barrel has a round brazed spot or dot on it, the reciever is a good bit shorter than the frame, condtion looks to be above average, bore is ok, not preisteen, but ok, barrel is different not tapered and odd front sight.anybody know much about this one? the brass spot or filled hole , and the shorter reciever? or a value? thanks opps the third picture is not of the erfurt, another luger i was looking at, the erfurt is s/n 25 ty

padredan · 02-09-2012, 01:02 PM

a few more pics/ i find this gun interesting, but i will need your help to determine anything about it.and perhaps the value. thanks

alanint · 02-09-2012, 03:00 PM

Somebody really did a number on a nice Erfurt!! The oddest thing is I do not see the necessity of it all, unless this is an attempt to make serviceable again a pistol with a cracked front upper receiver, (chamber area). Still, an upper receiver could have been welded and brought back into use.
The bore still appears to be 9mm, but have you looked at the chamber?

The brass "dot" also makes me nervous. If this is a brass plug, which goes all the way through the barrel wall, perhaps in an attempt to "rewat" a "dewated" pistol, it is a very dangerous solution. I would not attempt to fire this hatchet job at all, even after a gunsmith's inspection.
I'm baffled at what was meant to be accomplished here..

padredan · 02-09-2012, 03:10 PM

very true, i used a bore light and i did not see where it was drilled through and why is the reciever shorter? i am assuming serial number 25 and matching numbers it is all original. i do think his asking price of 1150.00 is a bit steep/lol.

Ron Wood · 02-09-2012, 03:44 PM

If the "dot"went all the way through to the chamber/bore there is an outside possibility that it was an ammunition pressure test gun that has the hole brazed shut. I am at a loss to explain the configuration of the gun. It also looks like the front sight barrel band has been added to the oddly configured barrel. A very strange piece priced about $650 too high for a curiosity/parts gun. (I like that left grip though

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alanint · 02-09-2012, 03:49 PM

The front sight IS a separate machining, not unlike an M1 Carbine.

padredan · 02-09-2012, 04:02 PM

thanks what i am thinking, it's a 500.00 luger and way too dangerous to shoot. any idea why the reciever is shorter and the barrel is steped and not tapered? the left grip looks like it hasa badge or sheild embedded in it?

mrerick · 02-09-2012, 04:50 PM

Dan, Looks like you have a picture of s/n 7250w mixed in... 3rd in your series above...

The short receiver plus the plugged hole (if that's what it is) would point to a pressure test device that could be used for observing chamber pressure during firing and ejection. The hole appears set back in the special barrel so that it's over the chamber / ogive transition area at the entry to the rifling.

Marc

padredan · 02-09-2012, 05:08 PM

mark, thanks, it more or less a erfurt science project,lol. if i may ask why is it serial number 25? does it have any collector value at all? it is sure not a shooter.

Lugerdoc · 02-10-2012, 10:24 AM

I seriously doubt that the Erfurt Arsenel had anything to do with this conversion. I would guess that some "grage-mechanic" decided to cut back the receiver to match the threads on the cut down rifle barrel that he had available. TH

padredan · 02-10-2012, 10:59 AM

that makes sense, looks like who ever went to alot of trouble to machine and make it all fit, had no idea you could turn a rifle barrel into a 9mm pistol barrel, thanks

sheepherder · 02-10-2012, 09:21 PM

That is beyond bizarre...Cut back the receiver to the locking lug??? The barrel itself looks nicely machined/turned...Can't see much of the front sight blade to tell if it is Luger or other...

OK...Here's my WAG...It was a DeWat, with a welded receiver/barrel...And someone cut out the welded section and fitted some kind of barrel...Can't be a rifle; not if it is 9mm...Might be a SMG barrel...Maybe...Or might be made from scratch...

I'd like to hear the story...

TheRomanhistorian · 02-10-2012, 10:16 PM

It's strangely beautiful. I must say, padredan, where do you keep running into these interesting pistols? I've been rather captivated by all the posts and photos to date!

padredan · 02-10-2012, 10:51 PM

it's more like they keep running into me/lol. i have been an avid gun collector for years and former armor. when i find guns of interest i will go and check them out, sometimes buy them. My connection to alot of the older veterans lead me to some intresting finds.

padredan · 02-11-2012, 11:07 PM

alot of intersting thoughts on this one, but the s/n does match.

02-09-2012, 12:47 PM	#1
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	found a 1918 Erfurt 7.65 serial number 25 i found this interesting looking 1918 Erfurt in 9mm cal , serial number 25, aftermarket mag, numbers matching, note the barrel has a round brazed spot or dot on it, the reciever is a good bit shorter than the frame, condtion looks to be above average, bore is ok, not preisteen, but ok, barrel is different not tapered and odd front sight.anybody know much about this one? the brass spot or filled hole , and the shorter reciever? or a value? thanks opps the third picture is not of the erfurt, another luger i was looking at, the erfurt is s/n 25 ty Attached Thumbnails Last edited by padredan; 02-09-2012 at 04:09 PM.

02-09-2012, 01:02 PM	#2
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	a few more pics/ i find this gun interesting, but i will need your help to determine anything about it.and perhaps the value. thanks Attached Thumbnails

02-09-2012, 03:10 PM	#4
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	very true, i used a bore light and i did not see where it was drilled through and why is the reciever shorter? i am assuming serial number 25 and matching numbers it is all original. i do think his asking price of 1150.00 is a bit steep/lol. Attached Thumbnails

02-09-2012, 03:44 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	If the "dot"went all the way through to the chamber/bore there is an outside possibility that it was an ammunition pressure test gun that has the hole brazed shut. I am at a loss to explain the configuration of the gun. It also looks like the front sight barrel band has been added to the oddly configured barrel. A very strange piece priced about $650 too high for a curiosity/parts gun. (I like that left grip though ) __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-09-2012, 04:02 PM	#7
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	thanks what i am thinking, it's a 500.00 luger and way too dangerous to shoot. any idea why the reciever is shorter and the barrel is steped and not tapered? the left grip looks like it hasa badge or sheild embedded in it? Attached Thumbnails

02-09-2012, 03:00 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Somebody really did a number on a nice Erfurt!! The oddest thing is I do not see the necessity of it all, unless this is an attempt to make serviceable again a pistol with a cracked front upper receiver, (chamber area). Still, an upper receiver could have been welded and brought back into use. The bore still appears to be 9mm, but have you looked at the chamber? The brass "dot" also makes me nervous. If this is a brass plug, which goes all the way through the barrel wall, perhaps in an attempt to "rewat" a "dewated" pistol, it is a very dangerous solution. I would not attempt to fire this hatchet job at all, even after a gunsmith's inspection. I'm baffled at what was meant to be accomplished here..

02-09-2012, 03:49 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The front sight IS a separate machining, not unlike an M1 Carbine.

02-09-2012, 04:50 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Dan, Looks like you have a picture of s/n 7250w mixed in... 3rd in your series above... The short receiver plus the plugged hole (if that's what it is) would point to a pressure test device that could be used for observing chamber pressure during firing and ejection. The hole appears set back in the special barrel so that it's over the chamber / ogive transition area at the entry to the rifling. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-09-2012, 05:08 PM	#9
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	mark, thanks, it more or less a erfurt science project,lol. if i may ask why is it serial number 25? does it have any collector value at all? it is sure not a shooter.

02-10-2012, 10:24 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I seriously doubt that the Erfurt Arsenel had anything to do with this conversion. I would guess that some "grage-mechanic" decided to cut back the receiver to match the threads on the cut down rifle barrel that he had available. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-10-2012, 10:59 AM	#11
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	that makes sense, looks like who ever went to alot of trouble to machine and make it all fit, had no idea you could turn a rifle barrel into a 9mm pistol barrel, thanks

02-10-2012, 09:21 PM	#12
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	That is beyond bizarre...Cut back the receiver to the locking lug??? The barrel itself looks nicely machined/turned...Can't see much of the front sight blade to tell if it is Luger or other... OK...Here's my WAG...It was a DeWat, with a welded receiver/barrel...And someone cut out the welded section and fitted some kind of barrel...Can't be a rifle; not if it is 9mm...Might be a SMG barrel...Maybe...Or might be made from scratch... I'd like to hear the story... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-10-2012, 10:16 PM	#13
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	It's strangely beautiful. I must say, padredan, where do you keep running into these interesting pistols? I've been rather captivated by all the posts and photos to date! __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

02-10-2012, 10:51 PM	#14
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	it's more like they keep running into me/lol. i have been an avid gun collector for years and former armor. when i find guns of interest i will go and check them out, sometimes buy them. My connection to alot of the older veterans lead me to some intresting finds.

02-11-2012, 11:07 PM	#15
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	alot of intersting thoughts on this one, but the s/n does match. Attached Thumbnails