1911 DMW looking for history

barryg60 · 10-25-2009, 12:25 PM

Hello everyone,
my name is barry and I am new here.
I end up Belgium and my grand father has been died some months a go.
I have got luger of him!
Now I have rightly come on this site because I would want here concerning gladly further information!
I hope that you can help me!
All information is welcome such as the history of this weapon, .....
I have the value there foto' s of joined so that you can say more perhaps something there concerning!
Thanks to every one!

George Anderson · 10-25-2009, 01:58 PM

Barry, your 1911 P08 is unit marked to the 19th Train Battalion, Sanitaets company 1, weapon number 107. Yours is the third on my list of P08's issued to the 19 Train Battalion Sanitaets companies...6605e - 19.T.S.1.9., 7008e - 19.T.S.1.144., 7019e - 19.T.S.1.107.

In my list of unit marked P08's there are eleven unit marked DWM P08's in 1911 between serial numbers 3860e and 7601e. All eleven are marked to Sanitaets units.

My list is built upon Jeff Noll's list in "The Imperial German Regimental Marking".

barryg60 · 10-25-2009, 03:09 PM

Thank you for this information it is verry usefulle to me!
i still got 1 question is it a intresting weapon?
do you now the value of this weapon?
you speak thear about a list where can i find that list?

greets barry

alanint · 10-25-2009, 03:14 PM

Your take down lever is broken, which will considerably reduce the gun's value. Unless you are lucky enough to find a vintage, correctly numbered replacement.

George Anderson · 10-25-2009, 04:55 PM

Barry, the best sources for information on unit marked Imperial German weapons are: Jan Still "Central Powers Pistols" which is available from the author, Albrecht Wacker and Joachim Goertz "Handbuch Deutscher Waffenstempel" which I believe is still in print, Goertz and Bryans "German Small Arms Markings" and Jeff Noll "The Imperial German Regimental Marking". I believe that both of the latter titles are out of print, you might find them on Ebay.

With units such as your pistol exhibits the problem is finding out to which German division they were attached, only then can you find a combat history. For this task I frequently turn to a series published jointly by the Imperial War Museum, London and The Battery Press, Inc. here in the US. Among their many titles "Handbook of the German Army 1914" and "The German Forces in the Field November 1918" might prove most helpful.

klaus 3338 · 10-26-2009, 04:57 AM

The 19th Train Battalion is the 2. Saxon. It will be very hard to find some more informations because it was not a fighting unit.
Sometimes people of these units were mentioned in regiment histories

barryg60 · 10-26-2009, 01:00 PM

Thanks to every one for this information!
I only got 1 question left!
If i won't to sale it how much can i ask for it?

P. J. Heck · 10-27-2009, 10:38 AM

Barry, did you try Tom Heller (Luger Doc) for a take down lever?? There may even be some European parts sellers that a member here would know of. Even a mismatch could be more appealing than a broken one. I am sure there are more than a few on this site that would talk you through the proceedure of changing it.

As for selling, it would probably not be of much interest with the damage.....even with the scarce grip strap marking. What is the bore condition??? More useful pictures to add would be of the left side from the safety lever to the middle of the barrel, the rear grip strap and right side to include the barrel. PJHeck

10-25-2009, 12:25 PM	#1
barryg60 New User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1911 DMW looking for history Hello everyone, my name is barry and I am new here. I end up Belgium and my grand father has been died some months a go. I have got luger of him! Now I have rightly come on this site because I would want here concerning gladly further information! I hope that you can help me! All information is welcome such as the history of this weapon, ..... I have the value there foto' s of joined so that you can say more perhaps something there concerning! Thanks to every one!

10-27-2009, 10:38 AM	#8
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barry, did you try Tom Heller (Luger Doc) for a take down lever?? There may even be some European parts sellers that a member here would know of. Even a mismatch could be more appealing than a broken one. I am sure there are more than a few on this site that would talk you through the proceedure of changing it. As for selling, it would probably not be of much interest with the damage.....even with the scarce grip strap marking. What is the bore condition??? More useful pictures to add would be of the left side from the safety lever to the middle of the barrel, the rear grip strap and right side to include the barrel. PJHeck __________________ There are no bad guns!

10-25-2009, 01:58 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Barry, your 1911 P08 is unit marked to the 19th Train Battalion, Sanitaets company 1, weapon number 107. Yours is the third on my list of P08's issued to the 19 Train Battalion Sanitaets companies...6605e - 19.T.S.1.9., 7008e - 19.T.S.1.144., 7019e - 19.T.S.1.107. In my list of unit marked P08's there are eleven unit marked DWM P08's in 1911 between serial numbers 3860e and 7601e. All eleven are marked to Sanitaets units. My list is built upon Jeff Noll's list in "The Imperial German Regimental Marking".

10-25-2009, 03:09 PM	#3
barryg60 New User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for this information it is verry usefulle to me! i still got 1 question is it a intresting weapon? do you now the value of this weapon? you speak thear about a list where can i find that list? greets barry

10-25-2009, 03:14 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Your take down lever is broken, which will considerably reduce the gun's value. Unless you are lucky enough to find a vintage, correctly numbered replacement.

10-25-2009, 04:55 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Barry, the best sources for information on unit marked Imperial German weapons are: Jan Still "Central Powers Pistols" which is available from the author, Albrecht Wacker and Joachim Goertz "Handbuch Deutscher Waffenstempel" which I believe is still in print, Goertz and Bryans "German Small Arms Markings" and Jeff Noll "The Imperial German Regimental Marking". I believe that both of the latter titles are out of print, you might find them on Ebay. With units such as your pistol exhibits the problem is finding out to which German division they were attached, only then can you find a combat history. For this task I frequently turn to a series published jointly by the Imperial War Museum, London and The Battery Press, Inc. here in the US. Among their many titles "Handbook of the German Army 1914" and "The German Forces in the Field November 1918" might prove most helpful.

10-26-2009, 04:57 AM	#6
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	The 19th Train Battalion is the 2. Saxon. It will be very hard to find some more informations because it was not a fighting unit. Sometimes people of these units were mentioned in regiment histories

10-26-2009, 01:00 PM	#7
barryg60 New User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks to every one for this information! I only got 1 question left! If i won't to sale it how much can i ask for it?