Welcome ! Randy Bessler...!

Pete Ebbink · 08-27-2002, 06:21 PM

Welcome, to a new Forum member, Randy Bessler !

Randy was at the Reno Gun Show and had some lovely lugers and other pistols for sale...

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

wterrell · 08-27-2002, 10:49 PM

Welcome, Randy!
Your website has some nice looking stuff.

John Sabato · 08-28-2002, 02:50 PM

Welcome indeed Randy,

Wes is right... Some nice looking stuff on your website!

I hope you enjoy visiting the forum often.

policeluger · 08-28-2002, 05:17 PM

Yes Randy is here...can't help but remember the time he offered a total matching Luger with two matching clips, after several phone calls on the condition, and confirming it was all matching, I sent off my money. The gun came all matching except for the side plate, he would not even refund my two way shipping cost as I returned the gun as not being as advertized. Yes I do remember the bad deals and have never answered another of his ads... I bet I get booted off the forum for my comments, but all true

Garfield · 08-28-2002, 06:02 PM

Policeluger:

If you get booted off the forum for speaking the truth, then the forum has no purpose for existing.

Frank · 08-28-2002, 06:08 PM

Garfield, I don't know what is happening!! I have to agree with you AGAIN. Sometimes the truth hurts!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Thor · 08-28-2002, 06:10 PM

Others seem to know the address of Randy's website. How about a URL for us that dont have it? Thanks! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Edward Tinker · 08-28-2002, 06:27 PM

HC, when the story is so direct and first hand, how can you take it but as the truth.

wterrell · 08-28-2002, 08:01 PM

Mr. Bessler is the seller offering the M1900-M1906 holster we were discussing on the holster forum.

LINK:

http://www.collectorfirearms.us/

Heydrich · 08-28-2002, 08:29 PM

If I ever buy another Luger again, I want Garfield to look at it before I drop down any money for it.

Lugerdoc · 08-29-2002, 10:01 AM

Randy, Prepare for a bumpy ride. I suspect that some past transgressions, may come back to haunt you.

John Sabato · 08-29-2002, 04:12 PM

What some Luger dealers have failed to realize is that this Luger forum is 500 members strong world wide (but mostly in the U.S.) that are Luger owners, collectors and enthusiasts that now have a public medium where all the rest of them can hear a single voice... This is unprecedented in history. It may very well change the definition of a satisfactory transaction...

What some of the members should know is that as long as you conduct yourself with manners and respect, you won't get bumped off this forum for telling the truth, the WHOLE truth... and you know know the rest... as long as the story is told in the FIRST PERSON...no hearsay.

I didn't see anywhere above where it was stated that a refund didn't take place for an unsatisfactory transaction. What I saw was statement that said that shipping was not refunded.

Refunding the shipping for merchandise that was not as advertised would have been the prudent business thing to do in this day and age of instant communications... Tom Heller is right about old transactions that may have been considered to be of no consequence at one time, will now start haunting persons who thought they got away with something...

as always, GET THE TERMS IN WRITING...before you plunk down your money... Get plenty of advice, get photographs, protect yourself...

and the lesson to be learned today is that "Nowadays", Caveat Emptor has a companion saying: Caveat Vendor [img]smile.gif[/img]

policeluger · 08-29-2002, 04:34 PM

John and all...I am sorry I did not state that I indeed did get a full refund. But after several phone calls, all at my cost, I was very upset that it was not as advertized. Yes he should have paid me back for shipping, and if you asking yourselves was I interested in it at a lower price, and did I ask him to refund a part of the cost, no I did not. I was willing to pay his price, I expected his word of honor. Instead he tried to get me to keep it as it did have two original mags. When everyone was asking a while back on the forum who were the dealers you could trust and who you couldn't, I stayed off the line. I bought my first luger over 43 years ago, have dealt and dinned with most the names, and while I have returned a few guns that through mail/phone/auction buys that I was not happy with, this was the deal that I felt lied to. I have worked with and gotten guns from Jones/Datig/Shattuck/Costanzo/Heller/Drollinger/Surgerman at River Bend/Simpson and others I have forgotten, this is the one place of business I have never gone back to. This is not the fun game it was 30 years ago, and will most likly be the reason I sell out someday, anyway I will be off line and buffalo hunting for a few day, if you want to question me, or blast me, I'll be back in a few days

Randall M. Bessler · 03-01-2003, 09:58 AM

From: Randall M. Bessler
To: Fourm Members.
Subject: Comments posted in 8/02.
I do not recall this specific transaction but if the Luger was described as all matching it was very likely that way when shipped. If not, and I made a mistake I would refund "policeluger" return shipping costs. If "policeluger' wants to call me on the phone (Not Collect), I will be happy to go over this transaction and if it was my error he will get a check for his shipping costs.
Randall M. Bessler

wterrell · 03-01-2003, 10:13 AM

This man, gentlemen, is a 'top-drawer' dealer! You could not ask for a greater effort to deal honestly.

JohnF · 03-01-2003, 10:22 AM

I recently bought a Roth Steyr holster and two books from Mr Bessler. The service was courteous and the goods arrived promptly - 4 days to the UK without paying a fortune for shipping is pretty good in my book. When I opened the package everything was exactly as described and I'm very pleased with my purchase. I'd certainly buy from him again and would have no hesitation in recommending him to others.

policeluger · 03-01-2003, 02:54 PM

I have noted his phone # and will contact him. I am still very upset over the deal, but lets see what he offers....

Navy · 03-01-2003, 03:03 PM

I have had one occasion to do business with Mr. Bessler and although I elected to return the item, the refund was handled professionally and courteously. I would not hesitate to do business with him in the future.
Tom A.

Lugerdoc · 03-02-2003, 09:33 AM

Having "horse traded" with Randy for many years, I consider him one of the good guys in the business. If your not satisfied, he will make it right. None of us are in the business to make a profit from S&H charges and hate to see returns, but to stay in business as long a Randy has, he has to keep his customers satisfied. Tom H.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-02-2003, 11:41 AM

Notwithstanding the one complaint by Police Luger, which Randy has offered to make right, I have had excellent dealings with Mr. Bessler.I would not hesitate to do further business with this gentleman. He produces an excellent list of weapons and accoutrements. Jerry Burney

08-27-2002, 06:21 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Welcome ! Randy Bessler...! Welcome, to a new Forum member, Randy Bessler ! Randy was at the Reno Gun Show and had some lovely lugers and other pistols for sale... Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

08-27-2002, 10:49 PM	#2
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Welcome, Randy! Your website has some nice looking stuff. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-28-2002, 02:50 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Welcome indeed Randy, Wes is right... Some nice looking stuff on your website! I hope you enjoy visiting the forum often. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-28-2002, 06:10 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Others seem to know the address of Randy's website. How about a URL for us that dont have it? Thanks! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-28-2002, 06:27 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	HC, when the story is so direct and first hand, how can you take it but as the truth. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-28-2002, 05:17 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Yes Randy is here...can't help but remember the time he offered a total matching Luger with two matching clips, after several phone calls on the condition, and confirming it was all matching, I sent off my money. The gun came all matching except for the side plate, he would not even refund my two way shipping cost as I returned the gun as not being as advertized. Yes I do remember the bad deals and have never answered another of his ads... I bet I get booted off the forum for my comments, but all true

08-28-2002, 06:02 PM	#5
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Policeluger: If you get booted off the forum for speaking the truth, then the forum has no purpose for existing.

08-28-2002, 06:08 PM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Garfield, I don't know what is happening!! I have to agree with you AGAIN. Sometimes the truth hurts!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

08-28-2002, 08:01 PM	#9
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Mr. Bessler is the seller offering the M1900-M1906 holster we were discussing on the holster forum. LINK: http://www.collectorfirearms.us/ __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-28-2002, 08:29 PM	#10
Heydrich Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If I ever buy another Luger again, I want Garfield to look at it before I drop down any money for it.

08-29-2002, 10:01 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Randy, Prepare for a bumpy ride. I suspect that some past transgressions, may come back to haunt you. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-29-2002, 04:12 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	What some Luger dealers have failed to realize is that this Luger forum is 500 members strong world wide (but mostly in the U.S.) that are Luger owners, collectors and enthusiasts that now have a public medium where all the rest of them can hear a single voice... This is unprecedented in history. It may very well change the definition of a satisfactory transaction... What some of the members should know is that as long as you conduct yourself with manners and respect, you won't get bumped off this forum for telling the truth, the WHOLE truth... and you know know the rest... as long as the story is told in the FIRST PERSON...no hearsay. I didn't see anywhere above where it was stated that a refund didn't take place for an unsatisfactory transaction. What I saw was statement that said that shipping was not refunded. Refunding the shipping for merchandise that was not as advertised would have been the prudent business thing to do in this day and age of instant communications... Tom Heller is right about old transactions that may have been considered to be of no consequence at one time, will now start haunting persons who thought they got away with something... as always, GET THE TERMS IN WRITING...before you plunk down your money... Get plenty of advice, get photographs, protect yourself... and the lesson to be learned today is that "Nowadays", Caveat Emptor has a companion saying: Caveat Vendor [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-29-2002, 04:34 PM	#13
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	John and all...I am sorry I did not state that I indeed did get a full refund. But after several phone calls, all at my cost, I was very upset that it was not as advertized. Yes he should have paid me back for shipping, and if you asking yourselves was I interested in it at a lower price, and did I ask him to refund a part of the cost, no I did not. I was willing to pay his price, I expected his word of honor. Instead he tried to get me to keep it as it did have two original mags. When everyone was asking a while back on the forum who were the dealers you could trust and who you couldn't, I stayed off the line. I bought my first luger over 43 years ago, have dealt and dinned with most the names, and while I have returned a few guns that through mail/phone/auction buys that I was not happy with, this was the deal that I felt lied to. I have worked with and gotten guns from Jones/Datig/Shattuck/Costanzo/Heller/Drollinger/Surgerman at River Bend/Simpson and others I have forgotten, this is the one place of business I have never gone back to. This is not the fun game it was 30 years ago, and will most likly be the reason I sell out someday, anyway I will be off line and buffalo hunting for a few day, if you want to question me, or blast me, I'll be back in a few days

03-01-2003, 09:58 AM	#14
Randall M. Bessler User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Carson City, Nevada. U.S.A. Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	From: Randall M. Bessler To: Fourm Members. Subject: Comments posted in 8/02. I do not recall this specific transaction but if the Luger was described as all matching it was very likely that way when shipped. If not, and I made a mistake I would refund "policeluger" return shipping costs. If "policeluger' wants to call me on the phone (Not Collect), I will be happy to go over this transaction and if it was my error he will get a check for his shipping costs. Randall M. Bessler

03-01-2003, 10:13 AM	#15
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	This man, gentlemen, is a 'top-drawer' dealer! You could not ask for a greater effort to deal honestly. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

03-01-2003, 10:22 AM	#16
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I recently bought a Roth Steyr holster and two books from Mr Bessler. The service was courteous and the goods arrived promptly - 4 days to the UK without paying a fortune for shipping is pretty good in my book. When I opened the package everything was exactly as described and I'm very pleased with my purchase. I'd certainly buy from him again and would have no hesitation in recommending him to others.

03-01-2003, 02:54 PM	#17
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I have noted his phone # and will contact him. I am still very upset over the deal, but lets see what he offers....

03-01-2003, 03:03 PM	#18
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I have had one occasion to do business with Mr. Bessler and although I elected to return the item, the refund was handled professionally and courteously. I would not hesitate to do business with him in the future. Tom A.

03-02-2003, 09:33 AM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Having "horse traded" with Randy for many years, I consider him one of the good guys in the business. If your not satisfied, he will make it right. None of us are in the business to make a profit from S&H charges and hate to see returns, but to stay in business as long a Randy has, he has to keep his customers satisfied. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-02-2003, 11:41 AM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,866 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Notwithstanding the one complaint by Police Luger, which Randy has offered to make right, I have had excellent dealings with Mr. Bessler.I would not hesitate to do further business with this gentleman. He produces an excellent list of weapons and accoutrements. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."