Need help identifying Nazi knife...

thegundude · 04-15-2014, 06:32 PM

Hello all,

My father left this to me without any information whatsoever. I can see that it has the Swasitka but I'm not familiar with anything else about it.

thegundude · 04-15-2014, 06:34 PM

Right side of blade...

thegundude · 04-15-2014, 06:35 PM

Left side of blade...

318is_Parabellum · 04-15-2014, 08:04 PM

Looks like a Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth) knife to me, though I'm certainly no blade expert.

Looks authentic, the RZM marking I believe means that it is an "official Nazi Party"-type object, and sold by the Party. The other marking on the blade is the maker's mark (Solignen?).

Others will chime in to corroborate or correct any errors I've made. Again, I'm far from an expert.

thegundude · 04-15-2014, 08:14 PM

Danke! I appreciate the info. Does anyone have any idea of it's worth? I don't plan on selling it but it's always a good thing to know everything you can about an item. I think it'll be very nicely with my Luger collection.

stressed · 04-15-2014, 11:05 PM

Basically 318 Parabellum filled everything in. It is HJ as the colors indicate, RZM manufacture. Others should chime in with value. I have a pair of black bakelight luger grips with a diamond similar, but with black backround with SS superimposed, representing the Dutch SS.

alanint · 04-16-2014, 04:46 AM

I've seen them go for $200-$250.

Go to www.germandaggers.com for more updated information on this Hitler Youth knife.

Welcome and good luck!

DavidJayUden · 04-16-2014, 07:59 AM

Also, check E-bay and gunbroker. There are a lot of these out there and going price should be pretty easy to determine. I'm thinking that $200 is a high end price, but you'll see for yourself.
dju

alanint · 04-16-2014, 08:28 AM

It all depends on the Maker. RZM is the most commom maker and $200 would be tops in nice shape. This example probably a bit less.

thegundude · 04-16-2014, 10:22 AM

Thanks guys. That works! I'm going to add it to a Luger display so value is less important than authenticity. It looks to be in good shape and the real deal, and that's all I really care about. My Dad would probably like to see it displayed since he only kept it on a drawer in a disused office space.

Lyn Islaub · 04-19-2014, 09:43 PM

Steve,
RZM wasn't actually a maker, but was the Stamp of the German manufacturing control commission and the RZM stamp was kind of in the same category as Patent Pending. The M7 51/39 marking identified Anton Wingen as the manufacturer.
Lyn

thegundude · 04-20-2014, 10:08 AM

Danke Lyn! I've been trying to figure that part out. If I assume correctly, the 39 represents the year of manufacture, 1939. Is that right?

Sergio Natali · 04-20-2014, 11:48 AM

I'm not an expert on knives, but for what I know there are plenty of fakes around, and pretty well made I heard.

Lyn Islaub · 04-20-2014, 08:48 PM

Yes, the number 39 is the year of manufacture.

wayne8661 · 09-10-2014, 11:04 PM

I just saw this post and this is an Anton Winger double proof hitlers youth knife. The double proofs command a higher premium and this one could be worth $750 or more. Hard to judge based on photos

DavidJayUden · 09-10-2014, 11:11 PM

Those Nazis had a knife for just about every occasion...
dju

04-15-2014, 06:32 PM	#1
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Need help identifying Nazi knife... Hello all, My father left this to me without any information whatsoever. I can see that it has the Swasitka but I'm not familiar with anything else about it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-15-2014, 06:34 PM	#2
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Right side of blade... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-15-2014, 06:35 PM	#3
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Left side of blade... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-15-2014, 08:14 PM	#5
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Danke! I appreciate the info. Does anyone have any idea of it's worth? I don't plan on selling it but it's always a good thing to know everything you can about an item. I think it'll be very nicely with my Luger collection. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-16-2014, 10:22 AM	#10
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks guys. That works! I'm going to add it to a Luger display so value is less important than authenticity. It looks to be in good shape and the real deal, and that's all I really care about. My Dad would probably like to see it displayed since he only kept it on a drawer in a disused office space. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-15-2014, 08:04 PM	#4
318is_Parabellum User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 130 Thanks: 80 Thanked 75 Times in 31 Posts	Looks like a Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth) knife to me, though I'm certainly no blade expert. Looks authentic, the RZM marking I believe means that it is an "official Nazi Party"-type object, and sold by the Party. The other marking on the blade is the maker's mark (Solignen?). Others will chime in to corroborate or correct any errors I've made. Again, I'm far from an expert.

04-15-2014, 11:05 PM	#6
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Basically 318 Parabellum filled everything in. It is HJ as the colors indicate, RZM manufacture. Others should chime in with value. I have a pair of black bakelight luger grips with a diamond similar, but with black backround with SS superimposed, representing the Dutch SS.

04-16-2014, 04:46 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I've seen them go for $200-$250. Go to www.germandaggers.com for more updated information on this Hitler Youth knife. Welcome and good luck!

04-16-2014, 07:59 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Also, check E-bay and gunbroker. There are a lot of these out there and going price should be pretty easy to determine. I'm thinking that $200 is a high end price, but you'll see for yourself. dju

04-16-2014, 08:28 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It all depends on the Maker. RZM is the most commom maker and $200 would be tops in nice shape. This example probably a bit less.

04-19-2014, 09:43 PM	#11
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Steve, RZM wasn't actually a maker, but was the Stamp of the German manufacturing control commission and the RZM stamp was kind of in the same category as Patent Pending. The M7 51/39 marking identified Anton Wingen as the manufacturer. Lyn

04-20-2014, 10:08 AM	#12
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Danke Lyn! I've been trying to figure that part out. If I assume correctly, the 39 represents the year of manufacture, 1939. Is that right? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-20-2014, 11:48 AM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I'm not an expert on knives, but for what I know there are plenty of fakes around, and pretty well made I heard. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-20-2014, 08:48 PM	#14
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Yes, the number 39 is the year of manufacture.

09-10-2014, 11:04 PM	#15
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I just saw this post and this is an Anton Winger double proof hitlers youth knife. The double proofs command a higher premium and this one could be worth $750 or more. Hard to judge based on photos

09-10-2014, 11:11 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Those Nazis had a knife for just about every occasion... dju