anybody ever seen one of these before?

coltguy · 07-06-2018, 08:39 PM

Hey guys,
been into guns for 30 years plus and this just walked into my gun store today, and i have to say i've never seen anything like this before.

there is no serial number on the bottom like normal, and no markings anywhere except a DWM top strap, and a BARELY visible made in german stamp on the grip frame in front. It does not have a stock lug, the magazine is fixed and cannot be removed which is why the button is on the right to depress the mag follower so you can load it from the top with the toggle locked open. The straw coloring looks too new, the gun shows no marks anywhere except the dwm link and the made in germany on the grip frame. and it is in .45 ACP or will at least chamber a .45ACP.
barrel has two plugs in it - maybe used to be drilled and tapped?
There is no

I thought it might be a LUGERMAN gun or maybe one of the waffen werle guns but i see no makers marks and ive not seen a fixed mag variant.

Anybody ever seen anything like this before?

Thanks
Mike

Edward Tinker · 07-06-2018, 09:24 PM

A number of folks have made 45 lugers without marking them

Martz - although I think he usually marked them and the magazine was not integal

Wyatts had an integral magazine, here is a picture of one that a friend was selling in Allentown

DonVoigt · 07-06-2018, 09:25 PM

Not exactly like it; but several/a few 'smiths have created .45 lugers in the past.
A fixed mag is about the only way you can get a .45 round into the grip of a "normal" luger frame.

Lugermans .45 lugers are copies of the "1907" US trials guns, and are larger than "normal" in all aspects, and use a removeable mag.

Werle has made many different luger creations, but does(usually/always) mark his.

Wyatt also made a .45 luger, but it loaded from the side of the grip. And could feed from a new made oversize magazine.
Others like Martz made their .45 lugers by cutting two frames, two receivers and joining them by welding to make a larger frame.

I think it is a one of US creation, using the grip frame "made in Germany" from an import from the 1920-30s. JMHO.

A couple of us on this forum have single shot .45 lugers.
Here is one I put together in .45 GAP, which I almost- but not quite got to feed from the frame with mods.

sheepherder · 07-06-2018, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coltguy

Anybody ever seen anything like this before?
Thanks
Mike

There is another .45 fixed-mag like yours that shows up regularly in the Random Album Pics.

...Except it has a removable magazine...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.ph...pictureid=1046

http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=212

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=23078

The owner only posted twice back in '09, and never came back...

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coltguy New User Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	anybody ever seen one of these before? Hey guys, been into guns for 30 years plus and this just walked into my gun store today, and i have to say i've never seen anything like this before. there is no serial number on the bottom like normal, and no markings anywhere except a DWM top strap, and a BARELY visible made in german stamp on the grip frame in front. It does not have a stock lug, the magazine is fixed and cannot be removed which is why the button is on the right to depress the mag follower so you can load it from the top with the toggle locked open. The straw coloring looks too new, the gun shows no marks anywhere except the dwm link and the made in germany on the grip frame. and it is in .45 ACP or will at least chamber a .45ACP. barrel has two plugs in it - maybe used to be drilled and tapped? There is no I thought it might be a LUGERMAN gun or maybe one of the waffen werle guns but i see no makers marks and ive not seen a fixed mag variant. Anybody ever seen anything like this before? Thanks Mike Attached Thumbnails

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	A number of folks have made 45 lugers without marking them Martz - although I think he usually marked them and the magazine was not integal Wyatts had an integral magazine, here is a picture of one that a friend was selling in Allentown Attached Thumbnails

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Not exactly like it; but several/a few 'smiths have created .45 lugers in the past. A fixed mag is about the only way you can get a .45 round into the grip of a "normal" luger frame. Lugermans .45 lugers are copies of the "1907" US trials guns, and are larger than "normal" in all aspects, and use a removeable mag. Werle has made many different luger creations, but does(usually/always) mark his. Wyatt also made a .45 luger, but it loaded from the side of the grip. And could feed from a new made oversize magazine. Others like Martz made their .45 lugers by cutting two frames, two receivers and joining them by welding to make a larger frame. I think it is a one of US creation, using the grip frame "made in Germany" from an import from the 1920-30s. JMHO. A couple of us on this forum have single shot .45 lugers. Here is one I put together in .45 GAP, which I almost- but not quite got to feed from the frame with mods. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie