Non import marked VOPO Luger

CavScoutEurope · 09-14-2011, 08:44 AM

Has anyone ever seen a VOPO Luger with no import markings? How would this effect the value?

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2011, 09:43 AM

yes, it just slipped through

It would make it worth more, but if you can tell its a vopo, i.e. renumbered parts etc, then it will appear to most folks to be renumbered....

DavidJayUden · 09-14-2011, 10:05 AM

Were manatory import marks a result of the Gun control Act of 1968? Therefore all pre-68 imports would be unstamped?
I'm asking, I don't know.
dju

mrerick · 09-14-2011, 10:33 AM

There is a pretty thorough writeup about import marking requirements on this site:

Bavarian M1 Carbine Imports

It points to the GCA in 1968 as defining the requirement.

Marc

CavScoutEurope · 09-14-2011, 11:38 AM

All parts match. I had this imported in by an importer. So far I cannot find where, if he did it at all, placed his stamp. So if he did not am I in the wrong or is he?

dlcm · 09-14-2011, 02:33 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, it appears to be Import marked on the bottom side of the barrel.

alanint · 09-14-2011, 03:15 PM

If not, some were discreetly stamped on the rails of the upper "cannon" or the frame. The gun must be disassembled in order to see the stamp on the rail of either upper or lower. .

Ron Wood · 09-14-2011, 04:20 PM

The bottom of the barrel marking is a little out of the ordinary. It is "Kal 9mm P." and what appears to be a crown. Not a usual importer's mark.

CavScoutEurope · 09-14-2011, 05:11 PM

The "Kal 9mm P" was a requerment under German law when it came over from the VOPO, I think. When disassembeled there is the Bayren Crest that is also requiered by law that is to let the Polizi know that it passed the pressure test. I'll disassemble it once it get's here to see if there is any import marks, but my Dad says that he looked at it and didn't see one.

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2011, 05:22 PM

Very few Vopo guns were sold or stolen prior to 1968, most would be after that date.

As I said above...

09-14-2011, 08:44 AM	#1
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Non import marked VOPO Luger Has anyone ever seen a VOPO Luger with no import markings? How would this effect the value?

09-14-2011, 09:43 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	yes, it just slipped through It would make it worth more, but if you can tell its a vopo, i.e. renumbered parts etc, then it will appear to most folks to be renumbered.... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-14-2011, 10:33 AM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	There is a pretty thorough writeup about import marking requirements on this site: Bavarian M1 Carbine Imports It points to the GCA in 1968 as defining the requirement. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-14-2011, 11:38 AM	#5
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	soo.... All parts match. I had this imported in by an importer. So far I cannot find where, if he did it at all, placed his stamp. So if he did not am I in the wrong or is he? Attached Images

09-14-2011, 04:20 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	The bottom of the barrel marking is a little out of the ordinary. It is "Kal 9mm P." and what appears to be a crown. Not a usual importer's mark. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-14-2011, 10:05 AM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Were manatory import marks a result of the Gun control Act of 1968? Therefore all pre-68 imports would be unstamped? I'm asking, I don't know. dju

09-14-2011, 02:33 PM	#6
dlcm User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Unless I'm mistaken, it appears to be Import marked on the bottom side of the barrel.

09-14-2011, 03:15 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	If not, some were discreetly stamped on the rails of the upper "cannon" or the frame. The gun must be disassembled in order to see the stamp on the rail of either upper or lower. .

09-14-2011, 05:11 PM	#9
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	The "Kal 9mm P" was a requerment under German law when it came over from the VOPO, I think. When disassembeled there is the Bayren Crest that is also requiered by law that is to let the Polizi know that it passed the pressure test. I'll disassemble it once it get's here to see if there is any import marks, but my Dad says that he looked at it and didn't see one.

09-14-2011, 05:22 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Very few Vopo guns were sold or stolen prior to 1968, most would be after that date. As I said above...