1916 Arty...

Pete Ebbink · 07-28-2005, 12:13 AM

This 1916 Arty sold a month or so ago on Gun Broker for $ 1630 :

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?item=31671676

Now it has a cheapo repro Arty rig added and a boosted sales price of $ 2450...

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/16arty.htm

Capitalism at work...I guess...

Ron Smith · 07-28-2005, 10:05 AM

Jeez Pete,

You are such a synic, that the PIA link puckered up and went away.

I cannot imagine that "They" would do anything like that!!!

policeluger · 07-28-2005, 12:22 PM

It takes all the fun out of collecting.........

thegundude · 07-28-2005, 12:57 PM

And money out of wallets...

Navy · 07-28-2005, 01:44 PM

I'd bet that gun will be in Chantilly this weekend.

Tom A

Brent B. · 07-28-2005, 02:09 PM

Is that the arty they currently have on GunBroker? I tried to view the extra photos to compare it but it wouldn't let me view them.

Edward Tinker · 07-28-2005, 03:14 PM

their site appears to be down, someone must have voo-doo'd them...

Pete Ebbink · 07-29-2005, 03:46 PM

I hate to see anyone's web site go down...especially one with such great photos that provides excellent "learning" experiences...hope they get up and running soon. No one deserves to be hacked...ever !

There did not appear to be anything wrong with the 1916 Arty for sale, the previous time on Gun Broker or this time through Tom and Ralph at PIA.

Just thought members should keep an eye out for each other when a luger is "turned over" for an unreasonable price...cannot see a repro LP-08 rig being added and having the gun's value jump by $ 800-900...this gun was just not that nice to start with...I did not think the gun was worth even $ 1400 the first time on G-B auction...

Ron Smith · 07-30-2005, 09:53 PM

Here's one that's a bit questionable. Not an artillery, but since we're on the topic.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=35222862

1. The holster looks 30 years older than the belt.

2. What makes it a Berlin police pistol? The buckle?

3. Why are they afraid to show the sideplate? Notice it was "convieniently" removed to highlight the sear safety.

Kind of brings to mind the habit of used car lots "forgetting" to close the sun/moon roofs on used cars during the rainy season. "OOPS! It just smells like mildew because the lot boy left the roof open. It doesn't leak."

Rod WMG · 07-31-2005, 01:07 AM

Ron, didn't someone on the forum raise the red flag on this seller a week or two ago?

Ron Smith · 08-04-2005, 09:50 AM

Yes Sir! In fact the red flag is in tatters by now.

Pete Ebbink · 08-11-2005, 11:38 PM

Cost of the added repro artiy rig :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6535752680

The single big fat shiny washer on the one screw is a tell tale ID...

Big Norm · 08-12-2005, 12:28 AM

Maybe I am missing something here.
(1) the holster on Ebay stated that it is a repro
21 bids have put it at $240 something dollars. That seems a bit high but people were told that it is a repro.

(2) It was mentioned that the police luger had a sear safety. That makes it a police 1914 DWM.
Click on the "More picture" tap. There is a slight picture of the side plate and it is
numbered to the gun. Its got some pitting and looks rough but its look proper for the gun.

(3) The 1916 arty looks rough but it looks all there and not messed with from what I can tell from the pictures. $1631 looks a bit high but prices are going crazy now. The holster sounds authentic but its rough. But the 22 bidders are over 21 so maybe they saw something.

(4) I am a little shell shocked right now though.
I looked at the militarywarehouse site. There was a 1916 navy there and it sold for $4500.
Beautiful gun with matching mag but thats one heck of a price for a Model 1914.

www.militarywarehouse.net

Lottsa stuff there but its already been well picked over on the first day.
Big Norm

Navy · 08-12-2005, 07:02 AM

Norm,

You need to get out more. That gun is very reasonably priced, if not close to being a bargain.

Tom A

Pete Ebbink · 08-12-2005, 10:42 AM

Norm,

The arty sold for $ 1630 on G-B when it had a real holster.

The current sellers at PIA took the real holster away and added a repro set that was previously purchased on e-Bay for $ 240.

Now the arty and repro holster is priced at $ 2450 on the PIA site...

Run-away capitalism...is this not...?

07-28-2005, 12:13 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	1916 Arty... This 1916 Arty sold a month or so ago on Gun Broker for $ 1630 : http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?item=31671676 Now it has a cheapo repro Arty rig added and a boosted sales price of $ 2450... http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/16arty.htm Capitalism at work...I guess...

07-28-2005, 10:05 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jeez Pete, You are such a synic, that the PIA link puckered up and went away. I cannot imagine that "They" would do anything like that!!! __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-28-2005, 12:57 PM	#4
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	And money out of wallets... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

07-28-2005, 03:14 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	their site appears to be down, someone must have voo-doo'd them... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-30-2005, 09:53 PM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Here's one that's a bit questionable. Not an artillery, but since we're on the topic. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=35222862 1. The holster looks 30 years older than the belt. 2. What makes it a Berlin police pistol? The buckle? 3. Why are they afraid to show the sideplate? Notice it was "convieniently" removed to highlight the sear safety. Kind of brings to mind the habit of used car lots "forgetting" to close the sun/moon roofs on used cars during the rainy season. "OOPS! It just smells like mildew because the lot boy left the roof open. It doesn't leak." __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-28-2005, 12:22 PM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	It takes all the fun out of collecting.........

07-28-2005, 01:44 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I'd bet that gun will be in Chantilly this weekend. Tom A

07-28-2005, 02:09 PM	#6
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is that the arty they currently have on GunBroker? I tried to view the extra photos to compare it but it wouldn't let me view them.

07-29-2005, 03:46 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I hate to see anyone's web site go down...especially one with such great photos that provides excellent "learning" experiences...hope they get up and running soon. No one deserves to be hacked...ever ! There did not appear to be anything wrong with the 1916 Arty for sale, the previous time on Gun Broker or this time through Tom and Ralph at PIA. Just thought members should keep an eye out for each other when a luger is "turned over" for an unreasonable price...cannot see a repro LP-08 rig being added and having the gun's value jump by $ 800-900...this gun was just not that nice to start with...I did not think the gun was worth even $ 1400 the first time on G-B auction...

07-31-2005, 01:07 AM	#10
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, didn't someone on the forum raise the red flag on this seller a week or two ago?

08-04-2005, 09:50 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Yes Sir! In fact the red flag is in tatters by now. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-11-2005, 11:38 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Cost of the added repro artiy rig : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6535752680 The single big fat shiny washer on the one screw is a tell tale ID...

08-12-2005, 12:28 AM	#13
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Maybe I am missing something here. (1) the holster on Ebay stated that it is a repro 21 bids have put it at $240 something dollars. That seems a bit high but people were told that it is a repro. (2) It was mentioned that the police luger had a sear safety. That makes it a police 1914 DWM. Click on the "More picture" tap. There is a slight picture of the side plate and it is numbered to the gun. Its got some pitting and looks rough but its look proper for the gun. (3) The 1916 arty looks rough but it looks all there and not messed with from what I can tell from the pictures. $1631 looks a bit high but prices are going crazy now. The holster sounds authentic but its rough. But the 22 bidders are over 21 so maybe they saw something. (4) I am a little shell shocked right now though. I looked at the militarywarehouse site. There was a 1916 navy there and it sold for $4500. Beautiful gun with matching mag but thats one heck of a price for a Model 1914. www.militarywarehouse.net Lottsa stuff there but its already been well picked over on the first day. Big Norm

08-12-2005, 07:02 AM	#14
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Norm, You need to get out more. That gun is very reasonably priced, if not close to being a bargain. Tom A

08-12-2005, 10:42 AM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Norm, The arty sold for $ 1630 on G-B when it had a real holster. The current sellers at PIA took the real holster away and added a repro set that was previously purchased on e-Bay for $ 240. Now the arty and repro holster is priced at $ 2450 on the PIA site... Run-away capitalism...is this not...?