The Dok needs help! (No smart comments... <IMG SRC="/luger/graphics/wink.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=";)"> )

Dok · 06-06-2001, 02:27 PM

I ordered a cleaning rod (the aluminum loop handle type) from Marstar a month ago and it still hasn't shown up. I need to know the aluminum rod thickness, dimension of the loop on the end, outside diameter and inside diameter, as well as overall length from end of loop to tip. Does anyone have one of these? Could you make these measurements for me, and either email me, or post the measurements here? Many thanks.

Dok

Thor · 06-06-2001, 02:31 PM

Should have ordered it from TH(couldnt resist) Marstar is about a month and TH is about a synapse (he is really good)

Sorry you had trouble buddy! I dont have any or I would help! I am riding cloud nine based on Wombat's early comments, he made my day......in fact my week! Thor

Frank · 06-06-2001, 03:18 PM

The small loop cleaning rod is made of 0.216 inch rod. The handle loop inside diameter is 0.229 in.. The outside should measure 0.661 in,, but mine is 0.669 in.. The handle width is 1.680 in. over-all. The over-all length is 5.4 in. The screw thread starts about 2.25 in. above the brass tip. Let me know if I can give you more. See, no SA (this time)

Dok · 06-06-2001, 03:49 PM

I may not have explained my need clearly. I'm looking for the dimensions of the Marstar Cleaning Rod which I believe looks similar to the one shown below. I want to include a place for these in my cases. If anyone can provide the A, B & C dimensions I would be very greatful. Frank, maybe I misread your post but you seemed to indicate that the outside dimension of the loop was just over half an inch... so I was confused cuz I thought it was bigger. If I misread, then you're allowed to make smart comment!

Dok

http://209.25.36.37/Parabellum/CleanRod.gif

Dok · 06-06-2001, 04:09 PM

I just looked up the image of the cleaning tool on Marstar's site, and while it refers to this tool as a loop handle brass cleaning rod, what they show is a "barrel" (wooden) handle cleaning rod. Does anyone know what their loop handle cleaning rod ACTUALLY looks like, cuz I'm quite sure I don't know. Frank Rial sent me specs on the original cleaning rod which were excellent. but the loop handle was oval in shape as opposed to round, and while Marstar claim theirs is just like the original, they show a picture of a wooden handle... go figure. All assistance greatfully received.

Dok

Frank · 06-06-2001, 04:36 PM

The dimensions I gave you were for the small loop. The large loop just has a larger loop. Both have an oval handle, as opposed to your drawing of a circular handle. I have seen both wooden and brass handle rods. All the rods I am aware are "T" shaped. Bender's Book does not show a German Cleaning Rod that is circular. Other countries mave have round top rods. I'll look a little later to see if I can find one.

Dok · 06-06-2001, 04:54 PM

Well I must be confused then. "T" shaped it is, and I guess I'll go with the dimensions of the larger loop... do you happen to have those or would they be the same as the originals (50mm) - 2" wide by 6" long ?

John Sabato · 06-06-2001, 05:29 PM

next to it and Dok could figure the dimensions from the scan...

-John

Dok · 06-06-2001, 05:44 PM

Thanks John!

Dok · 06-06-2001, 05:45 PM

Dok · 06-06-2001, 06:50 PM

Well live and learn... I thought Marstar would be a source that many members would have gotten their cleaning riods from, so to fit for them seemed like a logical choice. WRONG!!

06-06-2001, 07:27 PM

DOK if you are going to use a repo rod why don't you order from SARCO or CMR I think they may be more reliable.

Dok · 06-06-2001, 07:54 PM

It wasn't so much I was ordering for myself, more trying to guess where others may have ordered from... but I will check out Sarco... that's a good idea. Thanks.

BILL · 06-06-2001, 09:38 PM

Dok, what is the most common cleaning rod that someone might have for the standard issue Luger? I know that for awhile the repro 'barrel' tops with a brass rod were the most common. I believe that Ralph listed them (not sure, though) but they seemed to be common at gunshows also. I still have several and just saw four of them in a guy's parts bin at a show last weekend. It would be interesting to know what cleaning rod is the most common among Luger collectors (repro or otherwise).

ViggoG · 06-06-2001, 11:50 PM

Dok,

Rick had a post on Factory Target

Factory Target? -- Rick W. -- on 6/4/01 at 7:32 p.m.

Could you perhaps scale this using known Luger dimensions.

ViggoG

tom · 06-07-2001, 07:03 AM

Dok, Here are the dimensions that you asked for from an original: A=50mm (1&15/16th), B=15mm(9/16) and C=150mm(5&14/16"). I only have the one original left in stock @$75, but also have repros @$25 and most wood barrel type repros for 4",6" or 8" barrels in the $15 to $25 range. Also have original and new repro steel oiler can topped with brass rod for 4&3/4 or 8" in the $50 to $100 range. P.S. Thor, thanks for the referal.

Dok · 06-07-2001, 07:50 AM

Frank · 06-07-2001, 08:13 AM

This photo that you show is the small loop "T" top that I dimensioned. I did find a circular top from the Finns and the Swiss, but alas, no dimensions.

06-06-2001, 02:27 PM	#1
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	The Dok needs help! (No smart comments... ) I ordered a cleaning rod (the aluminum loop handle type) from Marstar a month ago and it still hasn't shown up. I need to know the aluminum rod thickness, dimension of the loop on the end, outside diameter and inside diameter, as well as overall length from end of loop to tip. Does anyone have one of these? Could you make these measurements for me, and either email me, or post the measurements here? Many thanks. Dok

06-06-2001, 02:31 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: (Want smart comments? ;^) ) Ok, Here you go!! Should have ordered it from TH(couldnt resist) Marstar is about a month and TH is about a synapse (he is really good) Sorry you had trouble buddy! I dont have any or I would help! I am riding cloud nine based on Wombat's early comments, he made my day......in fact my week! Thor

06-06-2001, 03:18 PM	#3
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Okey Dokey Dok !! No Smart Remarks !!! The small loop cleaning rod is made of 0.216 inch rod. The handle loop inside diameter is 0.229 in.. The outside should measure 0.661 in,, but mine is 0.669 in.. The handle width is 1.680 in. over-all. The over-all length is 5.4 in. The screw thread starts about 2.25 in. above the brass tip. Let me know if I can give you more. See, no SA (this time)

06-06-2001, 03:49 PM	#4
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Let me rephrase my request... I may not have explained my need clearly. I'm looking for the dimensions of the Marstar Cleaning Rod which I believe looks similar to the one shown below. I want to include a place for these in my cases. If anyone can provide the A, B & C dimensions I would be very greatful. Frank, maybe I misread your post but you seemed to indicate that the outside dimension of the loop was just over half an inch... so I was confused cuz I thought it was bigger. If I misread, then you're allowed to make smart comment! Dok http://209.25.36.37/Parabellum/CleanRod.gif

06-06-2001, 04:09 PM	#5
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Now I'm quite confused... smart comments OK I just looked up the image of the cleaning tool on Marstar's site, and while it refers to this tool as a loop handle brass cleaning rod, what they show is a "barrel" (wooden) handle cleaning rod. Does anyone know what their loop handle cleaning rod ACTUALLY looks like, cuz I'm quite sure I don't know. Frank Rial sent me specs on the original cleaning rod which were excellent. but the loop handle was oval in shape as opposed to round, and while Marstar claim theirs is just like the original, they show a picture of a wooden handle... go figure. All assistance greatfully received. Dok

06-06-2001, 04:36 PM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Dok, There are a few different ones. The dimensions I gave you were for the small loop. The large loop just has a larger loop. Both have an oval handle, as opposed to your drawing of a circular handle. I have seen both wooden and brass handle rods. All the rods I am aware are "T" shaped. Bender's Book does not show a German Cleaning Rod that is circular. Other countries mave have round top rods. I'll look a little later to see if I can find one.

06-06-2001, 04:54 PM	#7
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Dok, There are a few different ones. Well I must be confused then. "T" shaped it is, and I guess I'll go with the dimensions of the larger loop... do you happen to have those or would they be the same as the originals (50mm) - 2" wide by 6" long ?

06-06-2001, 05:26 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Dok, Here is one photo that may help... -John http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/CleaningRod.jpg

06-06-2001, 05:29 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	If anyone has one of these rods they could scan it with a ruler next to it and Dok could figure the dimensions from the scan... -John

06-06-2001, 05:44 PM	#10
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Dok, Here is one photo that may help... Thanks John!

06-06-2001, 05:45 PM	#11
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Now there's a good idea... (EOM)

06-06-2001, 06:50 PM	#12
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: (Want smart comments? ;^) ) Ok, Here you go!! Well live and learn... I thought Marstar would be a source that many members would have gotten their cleaning riods from, so to fit for them seemed like a logical choice. WRONG!!

06-06-2001, 07:27 PM	#13
Tracy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The Dok needs help! (No smart comments... ;^) ) DOK if you are going to use a repo rod why don't you order from SARCO or CMR I think they may be more reliable.

06-06-2001, 07:54 PM	#14
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Dok needs help! (No smart comments... ;^) ) It wasn't so much I was ordering for myself, more trying to guess where others may have ordered from... but I will check out Sarco... that's a good idea. Thanks.

06-06-2001, 09:38 PM	#15
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Common cleaning rods Dok, what is the most common cleaning rod that someone might have for the standard issue Luger? I know that for awhile the repro 'barrel' tops with a brass rod were the most common. I believe that Ralph listed them (not sure, though) but they seemed to be common at gunshows also. I still have several and just saw four of them in a guy's parts bin at a show last weekend. It would be interesting to know what cleaning rod is the most common among Luger collectors (repro or otherwise).

06-06-2001, 11:50 PM	#16
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Dok needs help! (No smart comments... ;^) ) Dok, Rick had a post on Factory Target Factory Target? -- Rick W. -- on 6/4/01 at 7:32 p.m. Could you perhaps scale this using known Luger dimensions. ViggoG

06-07-2001, 07:03 AM	#17
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re:Large loop rod dimensions Dok, Here are the dimensions that you asked for from an original: A=50mm (1&15/16th), B=15mm(9/16) and C=150mm(5&14/16"). I only have the one original left in stock @$75, but also have repros @$25 and most wood barrel type repros for 4",6" or 8" barrels in the $15 to $25 range. Also have original and new repro steel oiler can topped with brass rod for 4&3/4 or 8" in the $50 to $100 range. P.S. Thor, thanks for the referal.

06-07-2001, 07:50 AM	#18
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Good Idea - Thanks (EOM)

06-07-2001, 08:13 AM	#19
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Thanks, John . . . This photo that you show is the small loop "T" top that I dimensioned. I did find a circular top from the Finns and the Swiss, but alas, no dimensions.