Mauser Luger

pauly · 11-05-2017, 08:16 PM

Any thoughts, info on this Mauser? Looks to be re-blued, Dutch poof marks? There are no markings on the holster. I'm thinking shooter grade?
I keep getting an invalid file notice. What the heck am I messing up?

tomaustin · 11-05-2017, 08:31 PM

looks really good to me, if i had any pics to look at of a luger...

pauly · 11-05-2017, 08:45 PM

I'll try again tomorrow. Lol

Sergio Natali · 11-06-2017, 05:20 AM

I don't claim to be an expert but...

... some photos would probably help

jokes apart try to post some close up pictures of your gun, and describe it if possible in detail, best taken outside on an overcast day, without artificial flash nor directed light.
After that probably we can give you an idea of its originality and value.

All the best

pauly · 11-06-2017, 10:12 AM

OK, lets give this another try.
Any thoughts, info on this Mauser Luger? Looks like it may have been re-blued, the only non matching part I have found is the trigger side plate. Based on the proof markings is this a Dutch contract, bird with 655> The magazine also has proof marks on it.
It came with the black holster, you can make out Cotbus 1936 and see the proof markings. Thoughts on value?
The unknown holster came with a P38, just wondering about it?

ithacaartist · 11-06-2017, 10:34 AM

Should be great for concealed carry, what with the corners all rounded off like that before the re-blue.

But potentially a good shooter if the side plate allows!

Mac Cat · 11-06-2017, 10:34 AM

Pretty good pictures.
Your gun has clearly been heavily buffed and re-blued.
5044 d
It appears very black, too. Curious if that's the camera or it's actual color.

The holster looks like an honest 1938 P.08 holster.
It's been passed around and probably has had the wrong magazine stuffed into it.
But, the stitching is still good.
WaA94 w/ swastika (Otto Sindel, Militareffekten und Lederwarnfabrik, Berlin)
It should also have "crb" stamped on it.
This holster papers to have the name "Curt Vogel" for the name.

There should also be a 3 letter Ordinance code on it somewhere, possibly a "P.08" stamp in ink.

DavidJayUden · 11-06-2017, 10:40 AM

Don't know about Dutch markings, but definitely re-blued. A P-08 holster and probably a later P-38 soft sided holster.
Regarding value, I'm guessing $900 for the gun IF it works (shoots) well. Seems to be a good looking shooter.
P-08 holster is probably around $200, soft P-38 holster ?
Let's see that others think.
Overall a nice gun, have fun!
dju

rhuff · 11-06-2017, 12:38 PM

That should make you a nice looking range Luger. It has had the "anti-snag treatment" done to it when reblued. It likely required the heavy buffing to clean up surface defects(rust/corrosion). Let us know how it performs for you. In my part of the Country, that Luger would likely bring $8-900. I have no idea about the value of the leather.

pauly · 11-06-2017, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Should be great for concealed carry, what with the corners all rounded off like that before the re-blue.

But potentially a good shooter if the side plate allows!

Forgive my ignorance but....what does this mean (if the side plate allows )?

I did get 3 rounds off last night before it got dark. No Issues that I could tell.
The color is a fairly dark. Photos were taken with an iPhone. I can get daylight photos this weekend if requested.
I did not see any other markings on the holster, I'll have a closer look tonight. I got the Luger and holster for $550. Seems like that is a good price?
Thanks for the compliment on the photos Mac Cat.
Thanks all for the replies.

DonVoigt · 11-06-2017, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauly

Forgive my ignorance but....what does this mean (if the side plate allows )?

I did get 3 rounds off last night before it got dark. No Issues that I could tell.
The color is a fairly dark. Photos were taken with an iPhone. I can get daylight photos this weekend if requested.
I did not see any other markings on the holster, I'll have a closer look tonight. I got the Luger and holster for $550. Seems like that is a good price?
Thanks for the compliment on the photos Mac Cat.
Thanks all for the replies.

That's a good price.
I think what was meant by "if the side plate allows", is that side plates are not 100% interchangeable. If yours shoots, it is ok.

DavidJayUden · 11-06-2017, 01:53 PM

Not to speak for David, but when you start mismatching the side plate, it can effect things like trigger function, trigger pull weight, reset, and overall reliability. I can't tell you the specific parts that get out of sync, but know that it's the luck of the draw if other side plates will work without gunsmithing.
dju

pauly · 11-06-2017, 02:22 PM

Safe to say that if the numbers on the side plate don't match the rest of the numbers on the pistol then it was the not made for that pistol?
Are mismatched common?

ithacaartist · 11-06-2017, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauly

Forgive my ignorance but....what does this mean (if the side plate allows )?

I did get 3 rounds off last night before it got dark. No Issues that I could tell.
The color is a fairly dark. Photos were taken with an iPhone. I can get daylight photos this weekend if requested.
I did not see any other markings on the holster, I'll have a closer look tonight. I got the Luger and holster for $550. Seems like that is a good price?
Thanks for the compliment on the photos Mac Cat.
Thanks all for the replies.

Don and David have answered your first question. However, you have established three data points for success in last night's test firing. Odds are that it will continue to work fine. Its dark finish is, of course typical of hot/salt bluing, but I think it appears darker than original because of the buffing applied to it beforehand, and perhaps slightly different chemistry of more a modern process. Totally acceptable at the sweet price you paid...!

Geo99 · 11-06-2017, 11:52 PM

You paid the going price of a Luger paperweight, but you have a nice shooter - good job!

- Geo

Zorba · 11-07-2017, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauly

I got the Luger and holster for $550.

You could probably double your money if you resold it.

Sergio Natali · 11-07-2017, 04:20 AM

The edges look a little too "soft", kind looks like a reblue, no collector value.
I'm not sure about the holster.

Regards.

John Sabato · 11-07-2017, 02:18 PM

Definitely heavily buffed and reblued.

pauly · 11-07-2017, 07:16 PM

Thanks for all the replies.
While not collector grade it should make for a fun shooter. And a decent piece to pass on to the children. Amazing bit of work, considering they made these without the benefit of CAD or CNC machine tools.

The very black color is not the camera/lighting.
I'll be running a few rounds through it this weekend. Try and give a range report afterwards.

Puretexan · 11-07-2017, 07:40 PM

Decent blue jobs cost around $300 or more. Sometimes they really buff them to get
the bad parts smooth. Its quicker than using the stones and keeping the edges all nice.
One thing I have noticed lots of people here are wanting sideplates with specific numbers, so there are lots of mismatched Lugers around. Finding any luger for that price, that shoots is a deal. You can always get your money out of that one. Nice shooters bring good money all the time.

11-05-2017, 08:16 PM	#1
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 267 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Mauser Luger Any thoughts, info on this Mauser? Looks to be re-blued, Dutch poof marks? There are no markings on the holster. I'm thinking shooter grade? I keep getting an invalid file notice. What the heck am I messing up?

11-06-2017, 05:20 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I don't claim to be an expert but... ... some photos would probably help jokes apart try to post some close up pictures of your gun, and describe it if possible in detail, best taken outside on an overcast day, without artificial flash nor directed light. After that probably we can give you an idea of its originality and value. All the best __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-06-2017, 10:12 AM	#5
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 267 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Mauser Luger OK, lets give this another try. Any thoughts, info on this Mauser Luger? Looks like it may have been re-blued, the only non matching part I have found is the trigger side plate. Based on the proof markings is this a Dutch contract, bird with 655> The magazine also has proof marks on it. It came with the black holster, you can make out Cotbus 1936 and see the proof markings. Thoughts on value? The unknown holster came with a P38, just wondering about it? Attached Thumbnails

11-06-2017, 10:34 AM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,320 Thanks: 7,178 Thanked 2,532 Times in 1,348 Posts	Should be great for concealed carry, what with the corners all rounded off like that before the re-blue. But potentially a good shooter if the side plate allows! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-06-2017, 10:34 AM	#7
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704 Thanks: 2,069 Thanked 582 Times in 311 Posts	Pretty good pictures. Your gun has clearly been heavily buffed and re-blued. 5044 d It appears very black, too. Curious if that's the camera or it's actual color. The holster looks like an honest 1938 P.08 holster. It's been passed around and probably has had the wrong magazine stuffed into it. But, the stitching is still good. WaA94 w/ swastika (Otto Sindel, Militareffekten und Lederwarnfabrik, Berlin) It should also have "crb" stamped on it. This holster papers to have the name "Curt Vogel" for the name. There should also be a 3 letter Ordinance code on it somewhere, possibly a "P.08" stamp in ink. Last edited by Mac Cat; 11-06-2017 at 11:00 AM. Reason: update

11-05-2017, 08:31 PM	#2
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	looks really good to me, if i had any pics to look at of a luger...

11-05-2017, 08:45 PM	#3
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 267 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	I'll try again tomorrow. Lol

11-06-2017, 10:40 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Don't know about Dutch markings, but definitely re-blued. A P-08 holster and probably a later P-38 soft sided holster. Regarding value, I'm guessing $900 for the gun IF it works (shoots) well. Seems to be a good looking shooter. P-08 holster is probably around $200, soft P-38 holster ? Let's see that others think. Overall a nice gun, have fun! dju

11-06-2017, 12:38 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,287 Thanks: 2,702 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	That should make you a nice looking range Luger. It has had the "anti-snag treatment" done to it when reblued. It likely required the heavy buffing to clean up surface defects(rust/corrosion). Let us know how it performs for you. In my part of the Country, that Luger would likely bring $8-900. I have no idea about the value of the leather. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

11-06-2017, 01:53 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Not to speak for David, but when you start mismatching the side plate, it can effect things like trigger function, trigger pull weight, reset, and overall reliability. I can't tell you the specific parts that get out of sync, but know that it's the luck of the draw if other side plates will work without gunsmithing. dju

11-06-2017, 02:22 PM	#13
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 267 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Safe to say that if the numbers on the side plate don't match the rest of the numbers on the pistol then it was the not made for that pistol? Are mismatched common?

11-06-2017, 11:52 PM	#15
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	You paid the going price of a Luger paperweight, but you have a nice shooter - good job! - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

11-07-2017, 04:20 AM	#17
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	The edges look a little too "soft", kind looks like a reblue, no collector value. I'm not sure about the holster. Regards. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-07-2017, 02:18 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Definitely heavily buffed and reblued. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-07-2017, 07:16 PM	#19
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 267 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Thanks for all the replies. While not collector grade it should make for a fun shooter. And a decent piece to pass on to the children. Amazing bit of work, considering they made these without the benefit of CAD or CNC machine tools. The very black color is not the camera/lighting. I'll be running a few rounds through it this weekend. Try and give a range report afterwards.

11-07-2017, 07:40 PM	#20
Puretexan User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Pearland Texas Posts: 176 Thanks: 11 Thanked 70 Times in 36 Posts	Decent blue jobs cost around $300 or more. Sometimes they really buff them to get the bad parts smooth. Its quicker than using the stones and keeping the edges all nice. One thing I have noticed lots of people here are wanting sideplates with specific numbers, so there are lots of mismatched Lugers around. Finding any luger for that price, that shoots is a deal. You can always get your money out of that one. Nice shooters bring good money all the time.