Carbine Buttstock Iron Q's

sheepherder · 10-06-2017, 07:19 PM

I think this was asked recently but I can't find the thread...

1. Was it the carbine or artillery buttstock that was numbered on the bottom of the attaching iron (or both)???

2. Was the serial stamped top-to-bottom [lengthwise] or left-to-right [like this sentence]???

I think there was a pic...If anyone remembers/saved it, I would appreciate a link, please...

LU1900 · 10-06-2017, 08:09 PM

Lengthwise on the [SA] rework for the more seen
Left to right on german items : 1902 carbine or LP14
On the wood for persian lugers LP 1936
Siam , don't remember ....
French post war , none

cirelaw · 10-06-2017, 11:22 PM

The 1920 carbine stock is "31" the last two numbers "#3231 with a letter. That full with nuber and letter is hidden on the throng along with"Germany" All matching!

sheepherder · 10-06-2017, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I will post pictues of all three for you, in the meantime the 1920 carbine stock is "31" the last two numbers "#3231 with a letter. That full with letter is hidden on the throng! The navy I'll unpack tomorrow!!

It is the carbine stock iron serial numbers I am interested in. Specifically whether they are vertical or horizontal.

I look forward to your pictures!

Ron Wood · 10-07-2017, 12:37 AM

On top, left to right.

sheepherder · 10-07-2017, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

On top, left to right.

I could only find two pics of the carbine numbers, one appears to be for the push-button attachment, the other the lever-lock. (Oddly, they are consecutive).

But the numbers are on the bottom of the irons. And left-to-right. The pic that was posted some weeks ago had the numbers top-to-bottom, but I don't recall if it was a carbine or an artillery buttstock...

sheepherder · 10-07-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

The 1920 carbine stock is "31" the last two numbers "#3231 with a letter. That full with nuber and letter is hidden on the throng along with"Germany" All matching!

I have your stock iron pic, the number '31' is on the top, but across the tang, not horizontal or vertical. The numbers must be very small, like maybe ~1/16"???

That counterbore for the through-bolt looks odd...Almost like the sides are chipped...Is that a casting???

Ron Wood · 10-07-2017, 03:52 PM

Ah, I see the problem, you blindsided me with a couple of ringers...you slipped in two quite rare examples that are marked differently than later examples. The two you show are the early "one screw" irons and the push button stock is only slightly more common than chicken molars. The later 1902 and 1920 carbines and the LP08 stocks are of the "two screw" variety and are marked like I said. Also, I may not be understanding your orientations...for the two stocks your show you note that the numbers are "left to right"...to me they are top-to-bottom (lengthwise). When I said "left to right" I meant "across" like Eric's #31.

sheepherder · 10-07-2017, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Ah, I see the problem, you blindsided me with a couple of ringers...

Not by design. Pics of carbine stock iron numbers are rarer than an honest used car salesman...

OK, here's one...So, this is 'normal'???

The tang is 10mm wide, extrapolating the size of the numbers gives me ~2.7mm height...

cirelaw · 10-07-2017, 07:13 PM

I found out the full# 3231t! and also hidden Germany on inside hidden tang! I haven't seen it on the commercial database!!! There are two screws. One got cut off! Sorry!

Ron Wood · 10-07-2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Not by design. Pics of carbine stock iron numbers are rarer than an honest used car salesman...

OK, here's one...So, this is 'normal'???

The tang is 10mm wide, extrapolating the size of the numbers gives me ~2.7mm height...

Yep, that is "normal". As to dimensions, it sounds about right but I am sure there are slight variations over time, and the depth of the strike can change the apparent height by significant fractions of a millimeter.
Ron

sheepherder · 10-07-2017, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I found out the full# 3231t! and also hidden Germany on inside hidden tang! I haven't seen it on the commercial database!!! There are two screws. One got cut off! Sorry!

Gotcha! I found those forearm pics and another buttstock tang pic of your carbine in other threads ("What Wood Is This?" and others).

I found a rather alarming condition when I removed my stock iron from my carbine stock. It was last removed/replaced when I finished BOL'ing my buttstock [see Gonzo Carbine thread]. I had occasion today to remove all buttstock/forearm furniture and found that my clean through-bolts had rusted, inside the buttstock...

The rusted areas don't show up well in the pic...

Mulling over ways to protect them when the wood comes back...Maybe grease, oil, wax even???

The buttplate screws were still blued, no rust...Just the attaching iron through-bolts...A mystery, I guess...

Ben M. · 10-08-2017, 10:40 AM

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cirelaw · 10-08-2017, 01:53 PM

#3231t To dispel a common misconception. The 1920 model carbine was made with Imperial model left over parts of even salvaged because of the Weimar restrictions. The gun is perfect made for sale in the US and elsewhere, This one has "Germany" on the inside hidden tang. It uses a P08 frame as it has a rear sight not ever seen on any other model! It is the actual carbine on the cover of Luger Tips! Notice the rear sight!

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	On top, left to right. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Ah, I see the problem, you blindsided me with a couple of ringers...you slipped in two quite rare examples that are marked differently than later examples. The two you show are the early "one screw" irons and the push button stock is only slightly more common than chicken molars. The later 1902 and 1920 carbines and the LP08 stocks are of the "two screw" variety and are marked like I said. Also, I may not be understanding your orientations...for the two stocks your show you note that the numbers are "left to right"...to me they are top-to-bottom (lengthwise). When I said "left to right" I meant "across" like Eric's #31. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction Last edited by Ron Wood; 10-07-2017 at 04:47 PM.

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	1920 Luger Carbine External Proof #3231t To dispel a common misconception. The 1920 model carbine was made with Imperial model left over parts of even salvaged because of the Weimar restrictions. The gun is perfect made for sale in the US and elsewhere, This one has "Germany" on the inside hidden tang. It uses a P08 frame as it has a rear sight not ever seen on any other model! It is the actual carbine on the cover of Luger Tips! Notice the rear sight! Attached Thumbnails

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The 1920 carbine stock is "31" the last two numbers "#3231 with a letter. That full with nuber and letter is hidden on the throng along with"Germany" All matching!

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I found out the full# 3231t! and also hidden Germany on inside hidden tang! I haven't seen it on the commercial database!!! There are two screws. One got cut off! Sorry!

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Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 84 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	have you tried this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Wax