Carbine by Lugerman - Page 8

sheepherder · 11-01-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

I think we're missing out on a golden fund raising opportunity, a completion date pool. Participants send in $10.00 and their predicted completion date, the closest to the actual date...

Have to be closest *after* the actual completion date...Otherwise, it won't actually be completed...

Would the blocks be weeks, months, or years??? Like the 43rd week of 2016??? Or maybe April 2017???

Not all that many 'active' members here to make it interesting...

berkmberk1 · 11-12-2014, 07:53 PM

Interesting thread. He now has my C96. Its only been a month and a half, so I guess I don't qualify for remark making yet...the Luger looks to be MUCH more intricate than my re-barrel, re-finish job. But from the results I see, I definitely think its worth the wait

sheepherder · 12-11-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

Hook is attached by silver alloy and is the way the original carbines have been done, George Luger trusted silver , who am I to question that ;0)

Actually the forearm lug was attached by a screw prior to silver brazing. Sturgess & Gortz have a nice X-ray pic of the frame showing the screw on a carbine compared to a 'regular' frame (pic below).

I had noticed a ground-off screw in the pic of Eric's carbine also (other pic).

I hope this doesn't mean you'll have to start all over...

lugerholsterrepair · 12-11-2014, 09:38 PM

I hope this doesn't mean you'll have to start all over...OOPSIE!

alvin · 12-11-2014, 09:39 PM

Lugerman's site disappeared. Wrapped up your $$ and run away??

Now, if you go to lugerman.com, it's an Ukranian Dating site .. Russian Brides Ukraine etc...

what's going on? Any info on the new site?

Edward Tinker · 12-11-2014, 09:50 PM

I happened to send him an email tonight.

Either he screwed up and his site was sold or its in limbo.

But slightly concerned...

ithacaartist · 12-11-2014, 11:51 PM

Eric, it is my considered opinion that, especially in this case, active hands are infinitely more efficacious than praying hands. That is why I like to do as much business as I can locally--where it is possible to reach across the counter and explain things while shaking them warmly by the throat! I don't think I'd pull anything shady on Ed, even if he does live a state away. I think there's some mix-up beyond the "usual". Actually, I'm worried about Eugene, if all this is happening. Has anyone heard from him in these last six weeks?

Lugerdoc · 12-12-2014, 09:39 AM

My original Hellerarms.com site was taken over by others, when I failed to renew the service. I had thought that it would just disappear years ago. TH

Edward Tinker · 12-12-2014, 09:50 AM

good point Tom Heller

and yes, heard from Eugene today - site was hacked and he has taken control again and cleaning it up....

CAP Black · 12-12-2014, 11:38 PM

No promises on the carbine?
Jack

Edward Tinker · 12-12-2014, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAP Black

No promises on the carbine?
Jack

I will be sent stock and forearm photos this weekend to choose the wood.

Than its 'supposed' to be done before Christmas.

Wish me luck jack

tomaustin · 12-13-2014, 12:19 AM

Ed, are you gonna stage a world-wide tour to show that thing off to all of us??????? hell, i'll pay good $$$ just to see it in the flesh...

Tom

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2014, 01:12 PM

Eugene gave me a choice of stock forearms (stock will be from same piece of wood).

He had one stock set left 2 months ago and the main stock cracked as it dried. He could fix it or he could have new ones made (which was scheduled with a guy this month).

Hoping to be shooting by Christmas

same picture, but the ones with an arrow are the ones I selected.

alvin · 12-14-2014, 10:37 AM

The site is back

Through viewing his restoration work, it's obvious that C&R is very domain oriented. For the guns that I don't know, looking at his work, I cannot tell that's restored, because I don't know what an original one should look like. For example:

http://www.lugerman.com/Pages/SamplePages/Work_23.html

Looks good? Well, that depends on how an original one in similar condition should look like. No comparison. No idea. Is this British...

Internet not only helps collectors, also helps restorers. 20-shot conehammer restored by Gale Morgan in 1980s appeared in auction. Of course, much better done. But have obvious errors. Surprise. Why? Probably not because he intentionally left a few holes there.. most likely, no enough information in 1980s.

Edward Tinker · 12-14-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by alvin

...I cannot tell that's restored, because I don't know what an original one should look like.

I would say anyone who can not tell if something is original or restored should only buy from a reputable dealer.

sheepherder · 12-14-2014, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Eugene gave me a choice of stock forearms (stock will be from same piece of wood).

There's no buttstocks pictured! How will you know if they match?!?!

alvin · 12-14-2014, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I would say anyone who can not tell if something is original or restored should only buy from a reputable dealer.

True. Reputable dealer is a great starting point. I bought my first C96 from Simpson, learned lots of things from it. Sold long time ago, but it's a good one. Also got another one from FGS, FGS was expensive,,,,much more expensive, but it's a good one, too. Initially, I thought I spent too much on it, but the price was raising over years, it's sold easily later.

Edward Tinker · 12-14-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

There's no buttstocks pictured! How will you know if they match?!?!

At this point, I just want them to match fairly well

but each of these forearms are supposed to be cut from the matching wood for the stock, so they should match....

I just want it done.

sheepherder · 01-09-2015, 03:12 PM

While browsing through old forum posts, I came across this illuminating 2005 thread about Eugene...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=12411

Most enlightening...

Edward Tinker · 01-11-2015, 01:20 AM

Stock and forearm are done.
I drove down to Bensalem area, which is close, really close to Eugene...

Just waiting....

11-12-2014, 07:53 PM	#142
berkmberk1 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 4 Posts	Interesting thread. He now has my C96. Its only been a month and a half, so I guess I don't qualify for remark making yet...the Luger looks to be MUCH more intricate than my re-barrel, re-finish job. But from the results I see, I definitely think its worth the wait __________________ Michael D. Berk SFC, USA Ret.

12-11-2014, 09:38 PM	#144
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	I hope this doesn't mean you'll have to start all over...OOPSIE! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-11-2014, 11:51 PM	#147
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,289 Thanks: 7,043 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	Eric, it is my considered opinion that, especially in this case, active hands are infinitely more efficacious than praying hands. That is why I like to do as much business as I can locally--where it is possible to reach across the counter and explain things while shaking them warmly by the throat! I don't think I'd pull anything shady on Ed, even if he does live a state away. I think there's some mix-up beyond the "usual". Actually, I'm worried about Eugene, if all this is happening. Has anyone heard from him in these last six weeks? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

12-12-2014, 09:39 AM	#148
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	My original Hellerarms.com site was taken over by others, when I failed to renew the service. I had thought that it would just disappear years ago. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-13-2014, 01:12 PM	#153
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Eugene gave me a choice of stock forearms (stock will be from same piece of wood). He had one stock set left 2 months ago and the main stock cracked as it dried. He could fix it or he could have new ones made (which was scheduled with a guy this month). Hoping to be shooting by Christmas same picture, but the ones with an arrow are the ones I selected. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-11-2014, 09:39 PM	#145
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Lugerman's site disappeared. Wrapped up your $$ and run away?? Now, if you go to lugerman.com, it's an Ukranian Dating site .. Russian Brides Ukraine etc... what's going on? Any info on the new site?

12-11-2014, 09:50 PM	#146
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I happened to send him an email tonight. Either he screwed up and his site was sold or its in limbo. But slightly concerned...

12-12-2014, 09:50 AM	#149
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	good point Tom Heller and yes, heard from Eugene today - site was hacked and he has taken control again and cleaning it up....

12-12-2014, 11:38 PM	#150
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	No promises on the carbine? Jack

12-13-2014, 12:19 AM	#152
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	Ed, are you gonna stage a world-wide tour to show that thing off to all of us??????? hell, i'll pay good $$$ just to see it in the flesh... Tom

12-14-2014, 10:37 AM	#154
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The site is back Through viewing his restoration work, it's obvious that C&R is very domain oriented. For the guns that I don't know, looking at his work, I cannot tell that's restored, because I don't know what an original one should look like. For example: http://www.lugerman.com/Pages/SamplePages/Work_23.html Looks good? Well, that depends on how an original one in similar condition should look like. No comparison. No idea. Is this British... Internet not only helps collectors, also helps restorers. 20-shot conehammer restored by Gale Morgan in 1980s appeared in auction. Of course, much better done. But have obvious errors. Surprise. Why? Probably not because he intentionally left a few holes there.. most likely, no enough information in 1980s.

01-09-2015, 03:12 PM	#159
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	While browsing through old forum posts, I came across this illuminating 2005 thread about Eugene... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=12411 Most enlightening... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 01-09-2015 at 04:33 PM.

01-11-2015, 01:20 AM	#160
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Stock and forearm are done. I drove down to Bensalem area, which is close, really close to Eugene... Just waiting....