Luger 45 ACP Project - Page 4

G.T. · 03-02-2017, 09:16 PM

Hi to all, I would like the one I am buying to have the "arrow" and "SAFE" marking just as Eugene has it pictured!... Looks great to me...

...best to all, til....lat'r...GT

sheepherder · 03-02-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by G.T.

Hi to all, I would like the one I am buying to have the "arrow" and "SAFE" marking just as Eugene has it pictured!... Looks great to me...

...best to all, til....lat'r...GT

So how many orders did Eugene receive from the show sample???

DonVoigt · 03-02-2017, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by G.T.

Hi to all, I would like the one I am buying to have the "arrow" and "SAFE" marking just as Eugene has it pictured!... Looks great to me...

...best to all, til....lat'r...GT

I agree with GT, safe with arrow is cool for me!

Up safe or down safe, depends on which model/timeframe.

I agee with Eugene that "arm down- safe, up arm = fire" is more comfortable for shooting. At least that is what I think he said.

CAP Black · 03-03-2017, 12:56 AM

I saw mentioned a problem of improper functioning of the magazine on the 45s? Yes? No?
Jack

LugerMan.com · 03-03-2017, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

So how many orders did Eugene receive from the show sample???

Do not rub it in...
Everyone is waiting on magazines ...
May be i need to bump the price a bit ? May be that will get people moving on the last 12.

Working on the magazines...
Bend is done...
Press is on order ...
Press die holders on order ...
Ed did see all the dies we made ...
My die engineer promised to come over to improve/speed-up the process once all bits and peaces are here.

DonVoigt · 03-03-2017, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CAP Black

I saw mentioned a problem of improper functioning of the magazine on the 45s? Yes? No?
Jack

The "improper function" was on a JVM magazine for testing.
Eugene is working on mags as he outlined.

The magazine is not "easy," as someone else pointed out, luger mags evolved over the years of production by DWM, Simson, Mauser and the best probably designed and executed by Haenel.

I believe anyone who can build a luger from a chunk of steel can make a functioning magazine-

JMHO.

sheepherder · 03-03-2017, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

Do not rub it in...

No rubbing. I expected that you would sell out at show. Much disappointment that you did not.

Twelve still available? Would be good investment for collector or investor.

CAP Black · 03-03-2017, 10:39 AM

But the question seems to be: To make a purchase of a pistol without a magazine at that price??? On the expectation of later getting the mag???? Is that what is at stake here? I don't know. That is why I was the raising the matter. The statement was made and now it seems that the answer is being danced around.

sheepherder · 03-03-2017, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAP Black

But the question seems to be: To make a purchase of a pistol without a magazine at that price??? On the expectation of later getting the mag???? Is that what is at stake here? I don't know. That is why I was the raising the matter. The statement was made and now it seems that the answer is being danced around.

Eugene has the most difficult part of the magazine solved. IMHO, even the unfinished magazine body is better looking than the Martz .45 magazine at Checkpoint Charlies.

(Both below).

G.T. · 03-03-2017, 02:12 PM

Hi to all! Making, with quality, any one part of a Luger is quite a task! The magazine is no different, only think different is the technique and materials... and, it is also, another assembly.. (more labor?) ... Eugene is using the very best material available to make his magazine shells heat treatable and strong.. 1095 annealed spring steel. (best springs, fine knives) if done correctly, they will be lifetime mags... Similar, and probably stronger than new Mec-Gar mags, and far, far better than any original Luger mag ever made!!!!
John Martz, God bless him, didn't have any constraints other than making it fit and work, made the mags as strong and simple as he could in his workshop with off the shelf materials.. and as no two pistols were ever the exact same, it was all custom work anyway!
What is important to remember is that whether Eugene is making 40 or 4000 the set up and time on task per unit is nearly the same... Once you have all in place, it is just a matter of how much self torture you can stand... The amount of work necessary to complete just one unit puts all of the project labor in a brutal perspective real quick.... Making one Luger part is a quest, two of the same, a task, 3 or 4 a job, and 10 or more a life sentence!!!

... Been there, done that....

...
As I said before, go get'em Eugene... Best to you all, til....lat'r.....GT

DonVoigt · 03-03-2017, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAP Black

But the question seems to be: To make a purchase of a pistol without a magazine at that price??? On the expectation of later getting the mag???? Is that what is at stake here? I don't know. That is why I was the raising the matter. The statement was made and now it seems that the answer is being danced around.

No dancing around.
If you read all the posts, the mag is addressed in detail.
The mag will be with the guns, no buy now get mag later.

Unless you are buying a .45 luger, I don't see why you need to raise the issue.

sheepherder · 03-03-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

If you read all the posts, the mag is addressed in detail.

There is also a separate thread dealing with the magazine progress -

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=36755

Tube and follower shown. No base shown, not much detail as to construction. Hopefully more as work progresses.

Ron Wood · 03-03-2017, 05:26 PM

Please note that this is a two piece folded and crimped magazine. A significant piece of work. Not even Krause or Martz attempted to produce a magazine that way...theirs were formed from one piece of steel bent around a mandrel and welded together. Eugene's magazine is much more authentic and when (notice I said "when" and not "if"

) he is successful it will be a much superior magazine IMHO.
Ron

LugerMan.com · 03-04-2017, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I believe anyone who can build a luger from a chunk of steel can make a functioning magazine-

JMHO.

Amen to that .... !

LugerMan.com · 03-04-2017, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

There is also a separate thread dealing with the magazine progress -

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=36755

Tube and follower shown. No base shown, not much detail as to construction. Hopefully more as work progresses.

Cutting followers now as well as follower push buttons, got the springs as well,, as soon as we are done with cutting that , i will post

LugerMan.com · 03-04-2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Please note that this is a two piece folded and crimped magazine. A significant piece of work. Not even Krause or Martz attempted to produce a magazine that way...theirs were formed from one piece of steel bent around a mandrel and welded together. Eugene's magazine is much more authentic and when (notice I said "when" and not "if"

) he is successful it will be a much superior magazine IMHO.
Ron

Let me correct you there.

Martz -- Yes, bend from one sheet and welded at the back , seen it do not like it.

Krause -- No, his mags are done from 2 sheets of steel and bent same way as originals. But made from soft steel and bent is closer to the back offsetting the spring push to the back and making the mag jam.

Our -- bend is more centered pushing the rounds nose first up the magazine tube, that will help function. And harder steel to keep lips stay in place.
But that's giving away trade secrets at this point ;0)

FYI: bend is holding the round spring in place and it's position is critical.

DonVoigt · 03-04-2017, 10:21 AM

"But that's giving away trade secrets at this point ;0)"

I don't think anyone will decide to go into the magazine business- so your secrets are safe!

Ron Wood · 03-04-2017, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

...Krause -- No, his mags are done from 2 sheets of steel and bent same way as originals. But made from soft steel and bent is closer to the back offsetting the spring push to the back and making the mag jam.

Our -- bend is more centered pushing the rounds nose first up the magazine tube, that will help function. And harder steel to keep lips stay in place.
But that's giving away trade secrets at this point ;0)...

My bad. I had more recently looked at my Martz baby and didn't check my Krause .45...was just going on memory which at my age is becoming less and less reliable. My apologies to Herr Krause for maligning his mag.

(But my mistake did get you to reveal trade secrets...oops!

)
Ron

LugerMan.com · 03-07-2017, 08:09 PM

Sold another one today to an Allentown Gun Show client,

12 units out of First Batch are preordered, no more available
17 units out of Second Batch are preordered and 11 available

Going to TULSA, OKLAHOMA on 4/1-4/2/17

LugerMan.com · 06-30-2017, 09:48 AM

Hello to all fellow forum members.

Just an FYI that after:

3 different magazine designs,

3 different feeding ramp configurations

2 changed barrels ( feeding ramp related)

3 different main spring styles

We finally can say that the gun works the way we like.

Also note that at this time only 3 units are available from a second lot.

With orders coming in every week.

So place your orders while i still have the guns.

03-02-2017, 09:16 PM	#61
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	safe! Hi to all, I would like the one I am buying to have the "arrow" and "SAFE" marking just as Eugene has it pictured!... Looks great to me... ...best to all, til....lat'r...GT

03-03-2017, 02:12 PM	#70
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	Magazine quality! Hi to all! Making, with quality, any one part of a Luger is quite a task! The magazine is no different, only think different is the technique and materials... and, it is also, another assembly.. (more labor?) ... Eugene is using the very best material available to make his magazine shells heat treatable and strong.. 1095 annealed spring steel. (best springs, fine knives) if done correctly, they will be lifetime mags... Similar, and probably stronger than new Mec-Gar mags, and far, far better than any original Luger mag ever made!!!! John Martz, God bless him, didn't have any constraints other than making it fit and work, made the mags as strong and simple as he could in his workshop with off the shelf materials.. and as no two pistols were ever the exact same, it was all custom work anyway! What is important to remember is that whether Eugene is making 40 or 4000 the set up and time on task per unit is nearly the same... Once you have all in place, it is just a matter of how much self torture you can stand... The amount of work necessary to complete just one unit puts all of the project labor in a brutal perspective real quick.... Making one Luger part is a quest, two of the same, a task, 3 or 4 a job, and 10 or more a life sentence!!! ... Been there, done that.... ... As I said before, go get'em Eugene... Best to you all, til....lat'r.....GT

03-03-2017, 05:26 PM	#73
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Please note that this is a two piece folded and crimped magazine. A significant piece of work. Not even Krause or Martz attempted to produce a magazine that way...theirs were formed from one piece of steel bent around a mandrel and welded together. Eugene's magazine is much more authentic and when (notice I said "when" and not "if" ) he is successful it will be a much superior magazine IMHO. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-04-2017, 10:21 AM	#77
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	"But that's giving away trade secrets at this point ;0)" I don't think anyone will decide to go into the magazine business- so your secrets are safe! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-07-2017, 08:09 PM	#79
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Sold another one today to an Allentown Gun Show client, 12 units out of First Batch are preordered, no more available 17 units out of Second Batch are preordered and 11 available Going to TULSA, OKLAHOMA on 4/1-4/2/17 __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

03-03-2017, 12:56 AM	#64
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I saw mentioned a problem of improper functioning of the magazine on the 45s? Yes? No? Jack

03-03-2017, 10:39 AM	#68
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	But the question seems to be: To make a purchase of a pistol without a magazine at that price??? On the expectation of later getting the mag???? Is that what is at stake here? I don't know. That is why I was the raising the matter. The statement was made and now it seems that the answer is being danced around.

06-30-2017, 09:48 AM	#80
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	3 Remaining units Hello to all fellow forum members. Just an FYI that after: 3 different magazine designs, 3 different feeding ramp configurations 2 changed barrels ( feeding ramp related) 3 different main spring styles We finally can say that the gun works the way we like. Also note that at this time only 3 units are available from a second lot. With orders coming in every week. So place your orders while i still have the guns. __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com