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klaus 3338 · 02-20-2015, 03:42 AM

The circle is showing crossed swords and is a commercial trade mark of "Franken und Lüneschloss" which was located in Suhl.

Sergio Natali · 02-20-2015, 06:01 AM

You're absolutely correct, I'm part of other forums too (mainly 1911 but also SIG and Glock), but such an old fashion word like "camaraderie" I believe belongs only to this forum.

Sergio

Lugerdoc · 02-20-2015, 10:46 AM

Pepsi, As said above this pistol would have had a dated chamber when it left Erfurt. I agree with Ron Wood, that this pistol was reworked by the Germans after 1939, due to the Nazi era commercial eagle/n stamped over the WW1 proof. Also that it also went thru the Birmingham cross swords proofing over the Erfurt inspector's markings. Interesting, but still probably just a shooter. TH

John Sabato · 02-20-2015, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepsicolla

This listing seems to indicate the opposite of that. Unless Im missing something?

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/8825911

Let me reiterate, Erfurt was a government owned and operated arsenal that ONLY made military P.08 pistols under license from DWM to meet the need during WW1.

The Artillery model in the link you have above is a gun that has been extensively refinished commercially. While at some point it may have been surplused by the government of Germany and sold into the civilian market, this is not a commercial Luger, but a refinished military Erfurt Luger.

pepsicolla · 02-20-2015, 11:19 AM

John, So its your saying the one in the listing had the date filed off during the refinishing process?

DavidJayUden · 02-20-2015, 11:23 AM

I'm certainly not John, but IMHO the listed firearm could have a replacement upper receiver OR it could have had the date obliterated. Regardless of the case, again IMHO, that seller is full of beans...
dju

John Sabato · 02-20-2015, 01:33 PM

I concur with David

cirelaw · 02-20-2015, 01:56 PM

John, Was Erfurt building any other type of firearm at the time other than the PO8? I know Mauser was producng rifles as well? Who made all the ammo? Thank you ~ Eric

John Sabato · 02-20-2015, 02:35 PM

I don't know who made the ammo. Not my area of knowledge. But yes, Erfurt also made rifles.

cirelaw · 02-20-2015, 04:25 PM

I did find an article by old reliable~Eric http://www.landofborchardt.com/1900-...o-article.html

cirelaw · 02-20-2015, 04:35 PM

Getting Warm~~~http://www.landofborchardt.com/ammo_catalogs.html

cirelaw · 02-20-2015, 04:52 PM

Here is what I have been looking for!! http://two_guns.tripod.com/gunmfg/dwm.htm A sample page~

ithacaartist · 02-20-2015, 08:42 PM

Pepsi,

Your LP.08 shows signs of significant buffing as well as re-bluing over pitting, thus John Sabato's observations...

It's, shall we say, "distinctive"... And it should make a great shooter!

I looked at the listing (which should be found in the fiction section), and I'm curious about the proofs stamped on the back of the frame. Does anyone have a proposed run-down on what's going on there?

DavidJayUden · 02-20-2015, 08:48 PM

That listing isn't for the gun in question, but was instead used as an example of the commercialization process. For info. only.
I agree that the frame was clearly refinished, among other deficiencies.
dju

02-20-2015, 06:01 AM	#22
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	You're absolutely correct, I'm part of other forums too (mainly 1911 but also SIG and Glock), but such an old fashion word like "camaraderie" I believe belongs only to this forum. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-20-2015, 10:46 AM	#23
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Pepsi, As said above this pistol would have had a dated chamber when it left Erfurt. I agree with Ron Wood, that this pistol was reworked by the Germans after 1939, due to the Nazi era commercial eagle/n stamped over the WW1 proof. Also that it also went thru the Birmingham cross swords proofing over the Erfurt inspector's markings. Interesting, but still probably just a shooter. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-20-2015, 01:33 PM	#27
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02-20-2015, 02:35 PM	#29
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I don't know who made the ammo. Not my area of knowledge. But yes, Erfurt also made rifles. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-20-2015, 04:25 PM	#30
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I did find an article by old reliable~Eric http://www.landofborchardt.com/1900-...o-article.html Attached Thumbnails

02-20-2015, 03:42 AM	#21
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 416 Times in 162 Posts	The circle is showing crossed swords and is a commercial trade mark of "Franken und Lüneschloss" which was located in Suhl.

02-20-2015, 11:19 AM	#25
pepsicolla User Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 11 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, So its your saying the one in the listing had the date filed off during the refinishing process?

02-20-2015, 11:23 AM	#26
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm certainly not John, but IMHO the listed firearm could have a replacement upper receiver OR it could have had the date obliterated. Regardless of the case, again IMHO, that seller is full of beans... dju

02-20-2015, 01:56 PM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	John, Was Erfurt building any other type of firearm at the time other than the PO8? I know Mauser was producng rifles as well? Who made all the ammo? Thank you ~ Eric

02-20-2015, 04:35 PM	#31
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Getting Warm~~~http://www.landofborchardt.com/ammo_catalogs.html Attached Thumbnails

02-20-2015, 04:52 PM	#32
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Here is what I have been looking for!! http://two_guns.tripod.com/gunmfg/dwm.htm A sample page~ Attached Thumbnails

02-20-2015, 08:42 PM	#33
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,369 Thanks: 7,433 Thanked 2,611 Times in 1,378 Posts	Pepsi, Your LP.08 shows signs of significant buffing as well as re-bluing over pitting, thus John Sabato's observations... It's, shall we say, "distinctive"... And it should make a great shooter! I looked at the listing (which should be found in the fiction section), and I'm curious about the proofs stamped on the back of the frame. Does anyone have a proposed run-down on what's going on there? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

02-20-2015, 08:48 PM	#34
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	That listing isn't for the gun in question, but was instead used as an example of the commercialization process. For info. only. I agree that the frame was clearly refinished, among other deficiencies. dju