TargetLuger project

[SIGP2101]

Originally Posted by Spuhr

Nope, I don't think it's feasable at all to make those for sale.
They will be extremely expensive.......


SigP2101
I have welded an insane amount of cracked P210 pistols over the years....
Also made beavertails (welded) and other things to the P210s.....
But those days as well as the Luger jobs for the public are since long gone.....

I have been doing this since 80's and never seen one cracked P210 slide or frame. Are you in USA? For me this is pure hobby activity and exclusively for a small amount of people, target shooters community and good friends. I am not interested in public exposure. Always being working on Feinwerkbau, Anshutz, TOZ, Hamerlys and various biathlon rifles. But there is not much of that here in Canada. Every since I moved over here from Europe I have been doing it for my own pleasure. I am member of two shooting clubs and 99.99% of the shooters never seen one P210 not even on the picture. 50% of the people haven't seen P08 since it is prohibited up here.

But definitely you gave me an itch to do something with my P08 shooter.

[Michael Zeleny]

Originally Posted by SIGP2101

I have been doing this since 80's and never seen one cracked P210 slide or frame. Are you in USA?

I can't purport to speak for Håkan, but based on my studies, cracked frames in the P210 strongly correlate with the availability of the likes of Swedish Bofors m/39B ammunition, which are not to be found in the North American consumer market.

[marshombre]

Spuhr, Please define extremely expensive. The audience here are Luger collectors and most are anything but paupers. I have wanted adjustable sights and an improved trigger for serious range work but no one does this type of conversion anymore. So, where do you reside and are you game for some contract work? MR

[Spuhr]

Ok, first so you understand.
I run a company that makes lots of advanced firearms stuff.
Scopemounts, grenadelauncher sights, upgrade kits for G36, HK417 etc.
you can see the company here: www.spuhr.com

That company takes all my time and therefor I am not interested to sell my by the hours.
All my work done today is not done by the hour, but instead a development of new products.
So I do simply not have the time to make oneoff projects like this for customers.

If I should make a batch of 10-20 reartoggles like this one they would likely end up costing some 2000 USD each, and the making of single pieces is almost impossible.
2000 dollars are in my opinion a very high price.

Adjusting luger triggerpulls aint difficult, not at all.
But it's required that the gunsmith have a Tig welder and a toolgrinding machine or worst case scenario a milling machine.
I have no secrets so if someone wanna do it, just ask and I tell you how it's done.

[Michael Zeleny]

Originally Posted by Spuhr

If I should make a batch of 10-20 reartoggles like this one they would likely end up costing some 2000 USD each, and the making of single pieces is almost impossible.
2000 dollars are in my opinion a very high price.

I don't mean to tell you your business, but based on what I see elsewhere, you could easily sell a batch of 20 target Lugers built to the standards you have maintained, for over $5K apiece. Notwithstanding your opportunity costs, making high grade firearms would be a step up from the production of their accessories.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

I don't mean to tell you your business, but based on what I see elsewhere, you could easily sell a batch of 20 target Lugers built to the standards you have maintained, for over $5K apiece.

$5K for a target Luger sounds awfully low...

...Just sayin'...

[Michael Zeleny]

Originally Posted by postino

$5K for a target Luger sounds awfully low...

...Just sayin'...

As I said, Herbert Werle will deliver you a custom Luger assembled from Mauser components complemented by his custom parts for under $3,000.00. Håkan's model is a bit more complicated, but not by that much.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

As I said, Herbert Werle will deliver you a custom Luger assembled from Mauser components complemented by his custom parts for under $3,000.00. Håkan's model is a bit more complicated, but not by that much.

I see that on Werle's preisliste...

P 08, 04-14 Marine version, caliber 9 mm Luger 2.519, - € [~$3272]

P 08, Standard 9 mm Luger Luger/.30 1.943 [~$2523]

Do you have a target Luger made by Werle??? I for one would love to see pics...

I believe you have researched this before...Can you share any insights??? Customs duty, importer charges, shipping charges from Germany, etc...

[marshombre]

I understand, thanks for the reply. MR

[alvin]

I heard there is a breath-taking new technology called "3D Printing". Don't know what it is, but someone has already used it to create sample shootable pistol (according to Yahoo News).

Can it be applied on Luger to tremendously reduce production cost??

[Olle]

Originally Posted by alvin

I heard there is a breath-taking new technology called "3D Printing". Don't know what it is, but someone has already used it to create sample shootable pistol (according to Yahoo News).

Can it be applied on Luger to tremendously reduce production cost??

That technology is still in its infancy, and the materials available set the limits for what you can do with it. There are some 3D gun drawings out there and there has been a lot of talk about "home printed" guns, but none of them seem to work. I'm sure that we'll hear more about this in the future, but right now it can't be used for much more than making headlines:

http://rt.com/news/3d-gun-australia-police-758/

[alanint]

Why exactly are the Australian police spending time testing these manufacturing methods? Since when is this within the scope of police work?

[Olle]

Originally Posted by alanint

Why exactly are the Australian police spending time testing these manufacturing methods? Since when is this within the scope of police work?

The authorities are all over this, they have done a similar test in Finland with the same result. From what I have heard, they're trying to figure out how to prohibit file sharing. I guess the first step is some scare tactics, like "don't try this at home".

[Spuhr]

Hi long time since last time....
Here is a few pics of how the pistol turned out.