Importing Guns

Michael Zeleny · 04-28-2009, 11:45 AM

I have imported guns from Switzerland and am about to import from Germany. Here is a current summary of my experience, linked to relevant online resources:

Research comparable values. Study all relevant web pages in the foreign top level domain of your concern. In my case, an interest in the SIG P210 calls for all Kessler catalogs and price lists. Here is a search query composed in accordance with my interests. Bear in mind that all long-distance purchases involve a risk. With market prices abroad on items of my interest running between a quarter and a half of market prices for comparable items stateside, my risks are well justified. Likewise in cases when such items cannot be had locally for love or money.
Find an export agent. Your best bet for finding an agent willing and able to handle your firearms lot for export from the foreign country is online auctions. For example, the Swiss dealers selling on Gunbroker include AfA and swissdagger. Make sure that your export agent understands the legal requirements for shipping firearms to the U.S. Also make sure that he has the right connections to do so. For example, Swiss law no longer allows shipping firearms by mail. Many common carriers follow suit, refusing to accept firearm shipments, unless the sender cultivates a "special relationship" with them.
Choose wisely. Generally you will have to pay for your firearms before you can apply for export and import licenses. The firearms you import must be deemed suitable for "sporting use" and attested as having remained in the country from which you are exporting them for the past five years. Only civilian firearms and foreign military firearms that qualify as curios and relics can be imported. U.S. military firearms cannot be re-imported.
Select a U.S.-based importer. I am paying through the nose for import licenses and international courier services, but Andrew Zink (AfA) and Stefan Mahrer (swissdagger) have access to common carriers and less costly importers. Make sure that the importer that your export agents recommend will mark your gun discreetly, e.g. inside the magazine well or under the stocks.
Stay legal. ATF requires licensure of both the importer and the import itself via the ATF form 6 application. Of special importance on this application are items 19 through 24, which discuss release of the firearms shipment from Customs custody. Also of importance is the form 6A, which must be presented to Customs at the time of its entry. ATF Form 6 s only good for occasional private imports via an FFL holder, for your personal use, but no one will stop you from reselling some of your personally imported guns after a while.
Understand the tariff classification and duty rate of firearms. See the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (2009), SECTION XIX: Chapter 93: Arms and ammunition; parts and accessories thereof. Special classification and duty treatment are afforded to firearms meeting the collector's interest and/or antique provisions of SECTION XXI: Chapter 97: Works of art, collectors' pieces and antiques. In addition to duty and applicable taxes, Customs collect user fees such as MPF (Merchandise Process Fee) equal to 0.21% of the entered value, with a $25 minimum, and a $485 maximum, and HMF (Harbor Maintenance Fee) equal to 0.125% of the entered value, with no minimum or maximum, and only applied on importations via seafreight.
Consider using a broker. A licensed customs broker located at the port of entry will be able to submit the license and release documents locally. National Customs Brokers Association lists local associations of individual brokers. Port of entry information is available from U.S. Customs. Import brokers charge a fee for a Customs entry, plus charges for messenger services where applicable. Brokers may also charge a fee for government agency submissions, its amount depending on the complexity of the agency requirements. Additionally, a customs bond will be required, either as a continuous bond for ongoing imports over a calendar year or as single entry bonds per each instance of importation.

Good luck. Please feel free to pose further questions and requests via email or phone.

Ron Wood · 04-28-2009, 12:42 PM

Great information Michael. Good to hear from someone that has "been there - done that". I have no intent to import guns but I am sure your tips will be valuable to those who are considering it.

Navy · 04-28-2009, 01:03 PM

Self-importing has been good to me, but it is incredibly time consuming-my last one took a year-and you run the risk of having to export (time and additional expense) if the gun is not as advertised.

Tom A

sheepherder · 04-28-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

[*]Select a U.S.-based importer. I am paying through the nose for import licenses and international courier services, but Andrew Zink (AfA) and Stefan Mahrer (swissdagger) have access to common carriers and less costly importers. Make sure that the importer that your export agents recommend will mark your gun discreetly, e.g. inside the magazine well or under the stocks.

This may not be as important as it seems; I recently received a Mauser "Broomhandle" imported by Keng's Firearms Specialties in Atlanta, GA. The import marking was ~3/32" high, including importer's abbreviated address, model # of pistol, caliber, and country of origin. It was either mechanically engraved or laser engraved; but not much deeper than the bluing. A quick wipe with cold blue and it is all but invisible. Pics attached to illustrate.

Edward Tinker · 04-28-2009, 02:32 PM

Michael, I have made this a sticky. Good info and tutorial.

Sig_P226 · 10-19-2009, 01:57 AM

Michael,
Great information and thank you for introduced me to the Forum.

tudorbug · 10-19-2009, 09:23 AM

Michael:

Great information and it took time to prepare this. I am among the many who are grateful.

David

Michael Zeleny · 10-21-2009, 04:24 PM

My pleasure. Look for updates from my latest shipment from Germany, delayed by an export permit previously procured by Hermann Historica, revoked in response to a "terrorist scare".

Edward Tinker · 10-21-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

revoked in response to a "terrorist scare".

Michael Zeleny · 10-21-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I shaved off my Levantine beard in response. Maybe that would help.

Mauser720 · 10-21-2009, 09:23 PM

Postino -

Good work on "erasing" that import mark!

lfid · 10-14-2010, 02:41 AM

Michael,

thanks !!! for the window into reality for this idea of importing items

sounds like quite an adventure and not something to try without some assistance

Bill

singleshotman · 01-01-2014, 12:12 PM

Customs can be such a pain in the backside. even with non firearms. My father imported an English Myford Lathe and needed a broker, for one thing it was shipped to LA instead of San Francisco, we lived in the East Bay at that time. When I was into Live Steam I once imported a Boiler and wished I had used a Broker as the custom agent did not have a rate, he finally put in under "Toys" and everyone was happy. You think Lugers cost a lot of money try Live steam, I am now living on SS disabily and have sold all my Live Steam locomotives. However, the nearest track is 250 miles away as I now live in TX. CA too costly to Live there any more.

04-28-2009, 11:45 AM	#1
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	Importing Guns I have imported guns from Switzerland and am about to import from Germany. Here is a current summary of my experience, linked to relevant online resources: Research comparable values. Study all relevant web pages in the foreign top level domain of your concern. In my case, an interest in the SIG P210 calls for all Kessler catalogs and price lists. Here is a search query composed in accordance with my interests. Bear in mind that all long-distance purchases involve a risk. With market prices abroad on items of my interest running between a quarter and a half of market prices for comparable items stateside, my risks are well justified. Likewise in cases when such items cannot be had locally for love or money. Find an export agent. Your best bet for finding an agent willing and able to handle your firearms lot for export from the foreign country is online auctions. For example, the Swiss dealers selling on Gunbroker include AfA and swissdagger. Make sure that your export agent understands the legal requirements for shipping firearms to the U.S. Also make sure that he has the right connections to do so. For example, Swiss law no longer allows shipping firearms by mail. Many common carriers follow suit, refusing to accept firearm shipments, unless the sender cultivates a "special relationship" with them. Choose wisely. Generally you will have to pay for your firearms before you can apply for export and import licenses. The firearms you import must be deemed suitable for "sporting use" and attested as having remained in the country from which you are exporting them for the past five years. Only civilian firearms and foreign military firearms that qualify as curios and relics can be imported. U.S. military firearms cannot be re-imported. Select a U.S.-based importer. I am paying through the nose for import licenses and international courier services, but Andrew Zink (AfA) and Stefan Mahrer (swissdagger) have access to common carriers and less costly importers. Make sure that the importer that your export agents recommend will mark your gun discreetly, e.g. inside the magazine well or under the stocks. Stay legal. ATF requires licensure of both the importer and the import itself via the ATF form 6 application. Of special importance on this application are items 19 through 24, which discuss release of the firearms shipment from Customs custody. Also of importance is the form 6A, which must be presented to Customs at the time of its entry. ATF Form 6 s only good for occasional private imports via an FFL holder, for your personal use, but no one will stop you from reselling some of your personally imported guns after a while. Understand the tariff classification and duty rate of firearms. See the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (2009), SECTION XIX: Chapter 93: Arms and ammunition; parts and accessories thereof. Special classification and duty treatment are afforded to firearms meeting the collector's interest and/or antique provisions of SECTION XXI: Chapter 97: Works of art, collectors' pieces and antiques. In addition to duty and applicable taxes, Customs collect user fees such as MPF (Merchandise Process Fee) equal to 0.21% of the entered value, with a $25 minimum, and a $485 maximum, and HMF (Harbor Maintenance Fee) equal to 0.125% of the entered value, with no minimum or maximum, and only applied on importations via seafreight. Consider using a broker. A licensed customs broker located at the port of entry will be able to submit the license and release documents locally. National Customs Brokers Association lists local associations of individual brokers. Port of entry information is available from U.S. Customs. Import brokers charge a fee for a Customs entry, plus charges for messenger services where applicable. Brokers may also charge a fee for government agency submissions, its amount depending on the complexity of the agency requirements. Additionally, a customs bond will be required, either as a continuous bond for ongoing imports over a calendar year or as single entry bonds per each instance of importation. Good luck. Please feel free to pose further questions and requests via email or phone. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

04-28-2009, 12:42 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Great information Michael. Good to hear from someone that has "been there - done that". I have no intent to import guns but I am sure your tips will be valuable to those who are considering it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-19-2009, 01:57 AM	#6
Sig_P226 New User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cop Land Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks. Michael, Great information and thank you for introduced me to the Forum.

10-21-2009, 04:24 PM	#8
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	My pleasure. Look for updates from my latest shipment from Germany, delayed by an export permit previously procured by Hermann Historica, revoked in response to a "terrorist scare". __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

10-21-2009, 09:23 PM	#11
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Postino - Good work on "erasing" that import mark! __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

04-28-2009, 01:03 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Self-importing has been good to me, but it is incredibly time consuming-my last one took a year-and you run the risk of having to export (time and additional expense) if the gun is not as advertised. Tom A

04-28-2009, 02:32 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Michael, I have made this a sticky. Good info and tutorial.

10-19-2009, 09:23 AM	#7
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Michael: Great information and it took time to prepare this. I am among the many who are grateful. David

10-14-2010, 02:41 AM	#12
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	Michael, thanks !!! for the window into reality for this idea of importing items sounds like quite an adventure and not something to try without some assistance Bill

01-01-2014, 12:12 PM	#13
singleshotman User Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	Customs can be such a pain in the backside. even with non firearms. My father imported an English Myford Lathe and needed a broker, for one thing it was shipped to LA instead of San Francisco, we lived in the East Bay at that time. When I was into Live Steam I once imported a Boiler and wished I had used a Broker as the custom agent did not have a rate, he finally put in under "Toys" and everyone was happy. You think Lugers cost a lot of money try Live steam, I am now living on SS disabily and have sold all my Live Steam locomotives. However, the nearest track is 250 miles away as I now live in TX. CA too costly to Live there any more.