Repro Mauser C96 Stock

MarkC · 10-19-2005, 02:57 PM

Does anyone know of a company that is selling a nice reproduction for my "shooter" Red 9?

Craig · 10-20-2005, 10:39 AM

CMR has one at about $250. It's the correct size for the shoulder holsters and display case. There are some cheap $90 ones out there in Shotgun News. They are NOT the same size and the finish is very poor.
Cheers
Craig

MarkC · 10-20-2005, 03:31 PM

Craig,

Is CMR a british company? I may have bought an artillery luger attaching iron from them.

What about this company? Cheap junk or worth the money?

http://uniquecanes.com/new/item_germ...ster_stock.php

Thanks for the help.

Mark

stymie · 10-20-2005, 03:54 PM

Bear in mind that a reproduction stock is not allowed on a broomhandle pistol unless the weapon is registered with the BATFE as a "short barreled rifle."
It must be OEM, otherwise, to avoid the purview of NFA Branch.

Craig · 10-20-2005, 04:00 PM

To prevent the forum police from jumping on me I'll use the phrase "down market" for the equipment that the HTML link takes you to. I got the entire outfit with a real ruff Bolo. Thor redid the Bolo and I purchased a display box from CMR in the UK. Thats when I discovered the stock was not standard sized. I ordered a stock from CMR and it was like night and day. CMR is kind of slow but they are well worth the wait. They also have all of the tools and such to make a really nice display box.

Cheers
Craig

MarkC · 10-20-2005, 04:00 PM

Stymie,

I thought I had read an earlier thread that said repro stocks were OK for Artillery Lugers, is this not the same with the broom?

Craig,

Do you have a link to their web site, I was very happy with the iron I bought from them. Thanks for the "heads up" about the other item.

Mark

John Sabato · 10-20-2005, 04:23 PM

Stymie,

The information in this post is incorrect... please see the follow-up post from Stymie below- Thanks {Modified by Admin-JS}

Your information is incorrect regarding the 1896 Mauser "Broom"and reproduction shoulder stocks.

Please read this letter (sanitized on our site for confidentiality reasons but available elsewhere on the internet like James Bardwell's NFA website)...

http://www.lugerforum.com/BATF.html

Repro stocks are permitted as long as the Mauser WOULD be exempted if it had an original shoulder stock. Details are in this letter...

The information in this post is incorrect... please see the follow-up post from Stymie below- Thanks {Modified by Admin-JS}

Craig · 10-20-2005, 07:17 PM

http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/

stymie · 10-20-2005, 08:19 PM

Hi John,

That letter in reference to Odin International's request for a ruling only pertains to Odin International, technically. Legal rulings are only specific to the individual or organization that makes the inquiry to Tech Branch. That said, they are often taken as a blanket authorization for other filers of a Form 1 to emulate.

In any event, you'll notice that this is only germane to two pistols mentioned... the Luger & the Hi Power. Missing is any reference to the Chinese or German broomhandle. This is covered & unchanged in the C&R listing on the BATFE site: http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/sec3.htm

I am aware that certain pistols are exempt from NFA purview when equipped with a repro stock, but the broomhandle is NOT one of them.

The ATF even reversed its decision on the Browning Inglis Hi Power pistol at a later date ('99) in this ruling/advisory: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...f_letter70.txt

I would suggest that anyone considering the installation of a repro stock on a broomhandle pistol to 1st obtain a specific ruling to that effect. Assumption based on unsupportable documentation can be a very costly mistake!

John

John Sabato · 10-21-2005, 09:25 AM

Stymie, Thanks so much for your enlightening research on this issue... All members should read and heed when it comes to "Brooms" and shoulder stocks... As the only stocked pistol I own is a 1914 Erfurt Artillery, I know I am not afoul of the law...

I suggest all members who own both Broomhandle Mausers and Inglis Hi-Power Pistols take Stymie's advice and make your request to be exempted directly to the ATF ... BEFORE you actually get a reproduction stock to go with your pistol... Once you have a definitive answer then make the letter public here on the forum and elsewhere so others can be informed.

10-19-2005, 02:57 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Repro Mauser C96 Stock Does anyone know of a company that is selling a nice reproduction for my "shooter" Red 9?

10-20-2005, 10:39 AM	#2
Craig User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plano Texas Posts: 58 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CMR has one at about $250. It's the correct size for the shoulder holsters and display case. There are some cheap $90 ones out there in Shotgun News. They are NOT the same size and the finish is very poor. Cheers Craig __________________ In God we trust, all others we monitor!

10-20-2005, 03:54 PM	#4
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bear in mind that a reproduction stock is not allowed on a broomhandle pistol unless the weapon is registered with the BATFE as a "short barreled rifle." It must be OEM, otherwise, to avoid the purview of NFA Branch. __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

10-20-2005, 04:00 PM	#5
Craig User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plano Texas Posts: 58 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To prevent the forum police from jumping on me I'll use the phrase "down market" for the equipment that the HTML link takes you to. I got the entire outfit with a real ruff Bolo. Thor redid the Bolo and I purchased a display box from CMR in the UK. Thats when I discovered the stock was not standard sized. I ordered a stock from CMR and it was like night and day. CMR is kind of slow but they are well worth the wait. They also have all of the tools and such to make a really nice display box. Cheers Craig __________________ In God we trust, all others we monitor!

10-20-2005, 04:23 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Reproduction Shoulder Stocks Stymie, The information in this post is incorrect... please see the follow-up post from Stymie below- Thanks {Modified by Admin-JS} Your information is incorrect regarding the 1896 Mauser "Broom"and reproduction shoulder stocks. Please read this letter (sanitized on our site for confidentiality reasons but available elsewhere on the internet like James Bardwell's NFA website)... http://www.lugerforum.com/BATF.html Repro stocks are permitted as long as the Mauser WOULD be exempted if it had an original shoulder stock. Details are in this letter... The information in this post is incorrect... please see the follow-up post from Stymie below- Thanks {Modified by Admin-JS} __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-20-2005, 03:31 PM	#3
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Craig, Is CMR a british company? I may have bought an artillery luger attaching iron from them. What about this company? Cheap junk or worth the money? http://uniquecanes.com/new/item_germ...ster_stock.php Thanks for the help. Mark

10-20-2005, 07:17 PM	#8
Craig User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plano Texas Posts: 58 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/ __________________ In God we trust, all others we monitor!

10-20-2005, 08:19 PM	#9
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi John, That letter in reference to Odin International's request for a ruling only pertains to Odin International, technically. Legal rulings are only specific to the individual or organization that makes the inquiry to Tech Branch. That said, they are often taken as a blanket authorization for other filers of a Form 1 to emulate. In any event, you'll notice that this is only germane to two pistols mentioned... the Luger & the Hi Power. Missing is any reference to the Chinese or German broomhandle. This is covered & unchanged in the C&R listing on the BATFE site: http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/sec3.htm I am aware that certain pistols are exempt from NFA purview when equipped with a repro stock, but the broomhandle is NOT one of them. The ATF even reversed its decision on the Browning Inglis Hi Power pistol at a later date ('99) in this ruling/advisory: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...f_letter70.txt I would suggest that anyone considering the installation of a repro stock on a broomhandle pistol to 1st obtain a specific ruling to that effect. Assumption based on unsupportable documentation can be a very costly mistake! John

10-21-2005, 09:25 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Stymie, Thanks so much for your enlightening research on this issue... All members should read and heed when it comes to "Brooms" and shoulder stocks... As the only stocked pistol I own is a 1914 Erfurt Artillery, I know I am not afoul of the law... I suggest all members who own both Broomhandle Mausers and Inglis Hi-Power Pistols take Stymie's advice and make your request to be exempted directly to the ATF ... BEFORE you actually get a reproduction stock to go with your pistol... Once you have a definitive answer then make the letter public here on the forum and elsewhere so others can be informed. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*