Hurricane Katrina

jamese · 08-29-2005, 04:17 AM

I hope everyone will say a prayer for those members and folks in the Gulf Coast area. Having been thru (2) cat. 3 storms last year, I know how these catastrophic events will effect their lives for many months to come.

May God bless you and your families.

Jim

John Sabato · 08-29-2005, 10:13 AM

Bless you for your thoughts of others Jim... I know an ARMY of folks already praying for this crowd that are in the path... Add me to this list...

Edward Tinker · 08-29-2005, 12:07 PM

I agree, talked to my sister in law, she is a Sergeant in the Baton Rouge PD, she said no time off, and no power, possibly next two weeks! My brother in law is sending her a generator, so we'll see!

Ed

hqbmw · 08-29-2005, 05:46 PM

I have never been through a Hurricane, but shook through many Earthquakes including the Loma Prieta Earthquake of 1989 in SF. Just the thought of the uncertainty that went with the quake makes me pray for those people in the Great South.

Jack

AGE · 08-29-2005, 11:49 PM

Ditto on affecting lives. Our 1700 sq. ft. waterfront house was in the eye of Charley last year. Our street of well built houses was hit by 144 mph winds. Somehow we had no flooding--that would have finished us off. Tile roof and 4+ sheets of plywood pulled off in wind. 2 windows busted. Lots of water in house soaking insulation and ceiling drywall. Tons of mold in only 2 weeks of 150% humidity, 99 degree heat without power. Contractors scarce and lots of crooks around. It took 11 months for rebuild, the only things saved were block walls and trusses. After $150,000 repairs we had a new house. Sold it and moved inland. We're gluttons for punishment and will be returning to the coast next year.

Our ins. co. was great and our contractor was reliable--did a good job. We thank the Lord daily. We are also praying for those folks.

G.W. Gill · 08-30-2005, 01:45 AM

My Uncle, in Melbourne FL. last year, had a guy knock on his his door at the height of the storm (130 MPH) and said his tar paper, from the first hurricane was comming off. Said he would fix it for $20. He did it at the height of the storm. My big question is .. Who held the ladder? There are some good people out there . I hope these type people are responding Katrina's way. P.S. , Without this guys kindness, It would have been a total loss. I still wan't to know "Who Held The Ladder!!" I pray for Katrina's victims and refugees.

lew1 · 08-31-2005, 10:52 PM

Two interesting items. My daughter works at an oil refinery.

Down time was scheduled "two years" ago for a section of the plant so that it could undergo maintenance. They received a call from the main office asking them to postpone it for at least six months. Even though it would not affect their output, it could be bad PC.

My daughter says that they have plenty of crude and are producing much gasoline. So they are going to sell it to Mexico. (Seems like their pipeline goes somewhere north of New Orleans and it is blocked. So the only place to get rid of it is to sell it in the south as they have no way to ship it elsewhere.)

Imperial Arms · 08-31-2005, 11:10 PM

I was in the middle of Hurricane Andrew in 1992, and it seems that the destruction caused by Katrina will exceed that of Andrew. Although Andrew was a Category 5 storm when it hit land, the flooding and water damage caused by Katrina is worse. Homes and businesses which are affected by water cannot be saved. If I had to take a wild guess, the damage from Katrina will exceed $40 billion.

Albert

trigger643 · 08-31-2005, 11:46 PM

My Daughter called tonight from Metaire where her unit, the LA 528 Guard has been for the last several days. She said as bad as the news makes it look, it is worse from the ground. They had evacuated a nursing home today. She said the destruction is unfathomable and all-in-all she'd rather be back at firebase Solerno in Afghanistan.

policeluger · 09-01-2005, 12:02 AM

Bless them all.....

G.W. Gill · 09-01-2005, 02:08 AM

I don't understand why the President didn't invoke martial law. I think this calls for it. I was a liberal (hippie). Until exposed to the real world. ( 20 yrs in Fire Rescue) This situation has too many elemants of danger to play PC. I think we should set up camps instead of trailer parks. Have you seen the prices that FEMA has been selling these expensive trailers off for?, and the damage that the tennants have done to them? I wan't a GSA , FEMA trailor that old people lived in for 8 grand. Some were great! Most were trash after use. This is what the floating peaple wan't. Lets just round people up and keep them safe. The others, give warning over loud speakers.

George Anderson · 09-01-2005, 06:55 AM

The president can't declare martial law, only a governor. I believe that the governor of Lousiana can't declare martial law because, unlike the other forty-nine states, Louisiana's constitution is based on the Napoleonic Code.

trigger643 · 09-01-2005, 09:11 AM

The Parish Governors can declare martial law and several Parishes are under martial law (a Louisiana parish is similiar to the rest of the country's counties). Many law enforcement personnel from other parts of the state have converged on these parishes to assist in restoring order in New Orleans, including supplying armored vehicles brissling with heavily armed officers to patrol the restless areas.
My daughter's unit is engineers. Their sister unit, MPs, is also there. They are based out of Monroe, a few hundred miles north, but all indications are units from as far away as Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas are going to be brought in. As many as 10,000 additional guardsmen will be there within a week.

jamese · 09-02-2005, 07:08 AM

I also know that many Law enforcement agencys from Florida are sending people to the area to help in whatever is needed.

The problem with sending other cops are most units are not self contained like the military and so the problem of feeding and housing them add to the problem.

I'l bet you'll find the crime rate in Texas is going to climb as a driect result of the refugees.

Wow "American refugees" sounds weird, brings back images of the boat people.

sad, very sad......

Jim

trigger643 · 09-02-2005, 07:50 PM

What irks me are these perfectly healthy folks standing around demanding assistance (most of them are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation welfare), when they can walk 5 to 7 miles to Kenner. I have great feeling for the truly needy, but I have no patience with these leaches. News shows them "digging through the rubble looking for something to eat" -- right? I don't think so.

lew1 · 09-02-2005, 09:57 PM

Don't you know that they can't walk the 5 to 7 miles since they are disabled.

Ron Smith · 09-03-2005, 08:47 AM

Just my opinion, and something to think about.

I'm not the Chicken Little type, BUT what if this had been a terrorist attack. Not a Dirty Bomb, which just speads radiation and not destruction, but a small nuclear detonation which would or could level an area in a city?

What if it there were two or three detonated in other cities simultaneously? Judging from the government response and reaction to this "natural disaster", that we had forewarning about and knew could happen. Where would we be then?? The whole country would be paralized.

I think majority of this "Homeland Security Preparedness" is nothing but lip service, and a crock of BS.

Also, concerning the comments above about people digging through the rubble.

I saw news footage of people lining a street covered with trash. Not "rubble" ,but just plain garbage.

It was taped from a slow moving vehicle. About every 10' there was some "I be cool Dude", flashing a gang sign. IMO, this reflects the basic mentality of , "Where's my free S**T Man!?

I cannot generate much sympathy for this kind of crap.

BTW, my wife insisted on sending a $50 donantion. I just hope it provides assisstance for some of the "truly needy" and not feeding some dead weight that I saw in the video.

Okay! My soapbox just threw a rod.

Ron

policeluger · 09-03-2005, 09:28 AM

I'm going to get a lot of flak here, but I just can't help saying it, if this storm had hit Salt Lake City, there would be little if any of all this crap going on, folks with out food/water/baby food and so on...few if any lining the streets with nothing to do...waiting for the goverment to steep in and help. And Ron, after buy her a new car yesterday, and feeling really blessed, my wife sent a $100 to the church humanterian fund, where by the way there is NO overhead/adminastration cost, and we know all of the money well be spent where it is needed.....35 some years later still upset over red cross selling me a toothbrush when I reached the states on a streacher!....

Walt NW · 09-03-2005, 02:03 PM

Photo in todays Houston Chronicle. What appears to be a brand new Cadillac on a nice, dry street with two cops on each side holding weapons on the occupants who have their hands up. Caption states they were searched and released. Apparently, stealing new cars now rates with breaking into a grocery store for food and water. Something wrong with this picture and probably these guys when they get tired of looting the city dry will end up taking a bus over here to Houston. Lucky us.

George Anderson · 09-03-2005, 02:34 PM

All emergency planning and relief in this country is supposed to be locally based. From that point it spreads outward from municipality to county or state and then the federal government. The immediate responsibilities of the local (municipal) government in New Orleans were to evacuate, secure and then relieve or evacuate further. None of this was done. Stories coming out of NO seem to indicate that a large part of the municipal police force went AWOL. Some may have even been participating in the looting and mayhem.

Compare the situation with that of NYC during the horror of the attacks of Setember 11. As I recall there was no such insanity in NYC and NY actually lost scores of police and firemen.

Louisiana, since the time of Hewey Long, has been a text book example of what local and state-wide corruption can achieve. Philadelphia and the District of Columbia are two more. The situation in New Orleans is what it is because of a grossly corrupt city government. That corruption runs throughout the city government and is at its worst in the police force.

It will be interesting to see what our "blood hound" press report about this mess in the end.

08-29-2005, 04:17 AM	#1
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Hurricane Katrina I hope everyone will say a prayer for those members and folks in the Gulf Coast area. Having been thru (2) cat. 3 storms last year, I know how these catastrophic events will effect their lives for many months to come. May God bless you and your families. Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

08-29-2005, 10:13 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Bless you for your thoughts of others Jim... I know an ARMY of folks already praying for this crowd that are in the path... Add me to this list... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-29-2005, 12:07 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I agree, talked to my sister in law, she is a Sergeant in the Baton Rouge PD, she said no time off, and no power, possibly next two weeks! My brother in law is sending her a generator, so we'll see! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-29-2005, 05:46 PM	#4
hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have never been through a Hurricane, but shook through many Earthquakes including the Loma Prieta Earthquake of 1989 in SF. Just the thought of the uncertainty that went with the quake makes me pray for those people in the Great South. Jack __________________ Jack Hiles Mesa AZ

08-29-2005, 11:49 PM	#5
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ditto on affecting lives. Our 1700 sq. ft. waterfront house was in the eye of Charley last year. Our street of well built houses was hit by 144 mph winds. Somehow we had no flooding--that would have finished us off. Tile roof and 4+ sheets of plywood pulled off in wind. 2 windows busted. Lots of water in house soaking insulation and ceiling drywall. Tons of mold in only 2 weeks of 150% humidity, 99 degree heat without power. Contractors scarce and lots of crooks around. It took 11 months for rebuild, the only things saved were block walls and trusses. After $150,000 repairs we had a new house. Sold it and moved inland. We're gluttons for punishment and will be returning to the coast next year. Our ins. co. was great and our contractor was reliable--did a good job. We thank the Lord daily. We are also praying for those folks. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

08-30-2005, 01:45 AM	#6
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My Uncle, in Melbourne FL. last year, had a guy knock on his his door at the height of the storm (130 MPH) and said his tar paper, from the first hurricane was comming off. Said he would fix it for $20. He did it at the height of the storm. My big question is .. Who held the ladder? There are some good people out there . I hope these type people are responding Katrina's way. P.S. , Without this guys kindness, It would have been a total loss. I still wan't to know "Who Held The Ladder!!" I pray for Katrina's victims and refugees.

08-31-2005, 10:52 PM	#7
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Two interesting items. My daughter works at an oil refinery. Down time was scheduled "two years" ago for a section of the plant so that it could undergo maintenance. They received a call from the main office asking them to postpone it for at least six months. Even though it would not affect their output, it could be bad PC. My daughter says that they have plenty of crude and are producing much gasoline. So they are going to sell it to Mexico. (Seems like their pipeline goes somewhere north of New Orleans and it is blocked. So the only place to get rid of it is to sell it in the south as they have no way to ship it elsewhere.) __________________ charlie

08-31-2005, 11:10 PM	#8
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	I was in the middle of Hurricane Andrew in 1992, and it seems that the destruction caused by Katrina will exceed that of Andrew. Although Andrew was a Category 5 storm when it hit land, the flooding and water damage caused by Katrina is worse. Homes and businesses which are affected by water cannot be saved. If I had to take a wild guess, the damage from Katrina will exceed $40 billion. Albert

08-31-2005, 11:46 PM	#9
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	My Daughter called tonight from Metaire where her unit, the LA 528 Guard has been for the last several days. She said as bad as the news makes it look, it is worse from the ground. They had evacuated a nursing home today. She said the destruction is unfathomable and all-in-all she'd rather be back at firebase Solerno in Afghanistan. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

09-01-2005, 12:02 AM	#10
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Bless them all.....

09-01-2005, 02:08 AM	#11
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't understand why the President didn't invoke martial law. I think this calls for it. I was a liberal (hippie). Until exposed to the real world. ( 20 yrs in Fire Rescue) This situation has too many elemants of danger to play PC. I think we should set up camps instead of trailer parks. Have you seen the prices that FEMA has been selling these expensive trailers off for?, and the damage that the tennants have done to them? I wan't a GSA , FEMA trailor that old people lived in for 8 grand. Some were great! Most were trash after use. This is what the floating peaple wan't. Lets just round people up and keep them safe. The others, give warning over loud speakers.

09-01-2005, 06:55 AM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	The president can't declare martial law, only a governor. I believe that the governor of Lousiana can't declare martial law because, unlike the other forty-nine states, Louisiana's constitution is based on the Napoleonic Code.

09-01-2005, 09:11 AM	#13
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The Parish Governors can declare martial law and several Parishes are under martial law (a Louisiana parish is similiar to the rest of the country's counties). Many law enforcement personnel from other parts of the state have converged on these parishes to assist in restoring order in New Orleans, including supplying armored vehicles brissling with heavily armed officers to patrol the restless areas. My daughter's unit is engineers. Their sister unit, MPs, is also there. They are based out of Monroe, a few hundred miles north, but all indications are units from as far away as Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas are going to be brought in. As many as 10,000 additional guardsmen will be there within a week. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

09-02-2005, 07:08 AM	#14
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	I also know that many Law enforcement agencys from Florida are sending people to the area to help in whatever is needed. The problem with sending other cops are most units are not self contained like the military and so the problem of feeding and housing them add to the problem. I'l bet you'll find the crime rate in Texas is going to climb as a driect result of the refugees. Wow "American refugees" sounds weird, brings back images of the boat people. sad, very sad...... Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

09-02-2005, 07:50 PM	#15
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	What irks me are these perfectly healthy folks standing around demanding assistance (most of them are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation welfare), when they can walk 5 to 7 miles to Kenner. I have great feeling for the truly needy, but I have no patience with these leaches. News shows them "digging through the rubble looking for something to eat" -- right? I don't think so. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

09-02-2005, 09:57 PM	#16
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Don't you know that they can't walk the 5 to 7 miles since they are disabled. __________________ charlie

09-03-2005, 08:47 AM	#17
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Just my opinion, and something to think about. I'm not the Chicken Little type, BUT what if this had been a terrorist attack. Not a Dirty Bomb, which just speads radiation and not destruction, but a small nuclear detonation which would or could level an area in a city? What if it there were two or three detonated in other cities simultaneously? Judging from the government response and reaction to this "natural disaster", that we had forewarning about and knew could happen. Where would we be then?? The whole country would be paralized. I think majority of this "Homeland Security Preparedness" is nothing but lip service, and a crock of BS. Also, concerning the comments above about people digging through the rubble. I saw news footage of people lining a street covered with trash. Not "rubble" ,but just plain garbage. It was taped from a slow moving vehicle. About every 10' there was some "I be cool Dude", flashing a gang sign. IMO, this reflects the basic mentality of , "Where's my free ST Man!? I cannot generate much sympathy for this kind of crap. BTW, my wife insisted on sending a $50 donantion. I just hope it provides assisstance for some of the "truly needy" and not feeding some dead weight that I saw in the video. Okay! My soapbox just threw a rod. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~** said...

09-03-2005, 09:28 AM	#18
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I'm going to get a lot of flak here, but I just can't help saying it, if this storm had hit Salt Lake City, there would be little if any of all this crap going on, folks with out food/water/baby food and so on...few if any lining the streets with nothing to do...waiting for the goverment to steep in and help. And Ron, after buy her a new car yesterday, and feeling really blessed, my wife sent a $100 to the church humanterian fund, where by the way there is NO overhead/adminastration cost, and we know all of the money well be spent where it is needed.....35 some years later still upset over red cross selling me a toothbrush when I reached the states on a streacher!....

09-03-2005, 02:03 PM	#19
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Photo in todays Houston Chronicle. What appears to be a brand new Cadillac on a nice, dry street with two cops on each side holding weapons on the occupants who have their hands up. Caption states they were searched and released. Apparently, stealing new cars now rates with breaking into a grocery store for food and water. Something wrong with this picture and probably these guys when they get tired of looting the city dry will end up taking a bus over here to Houston. Lucky us.

09-03-2005, 02:34 PM	#20
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	All emergency planning and relief in this country is supposed to be locally based. From that point it spreads outward from municipality to county or state and then the federal government. The immediate responsibilities of the local (municipal) government in New Orleans were to evacuate, secure and then relieve or evacuate further. None of this was done. Stories coming out of NO seem to indicate that a large part of the municipal police force went AWOL. Some may have even been participating in the looting and mayhem. Compare the situation with that of NYC during the horror of the attacks of Setember 11. As I recall there was no such insanity in NYC and NY actually lost scores of police and firemen. Louisiana, since the time of Hewey Long, has been a text book example of what local and state-wide corruption can achieve. Philadelphia and the District of Columbia are two more. The situation in New Orleans is what it is because of a grossly corrupt city government. That corruption runs throughout the city government and is at its worst in the police force. It will be interesting to see what our "blood hound" press report about this mess in the end.