Proof Mark Controversy

tom · 06-27-2001, 06:52 AM

Proof Mark number 40 in the Proof Mark section of this august list states that the M over A is a Mauser rework mark. I submit that this is not likely the case for the following reasons:

1.Simpson had the principal rework contract during this period;

2. The initials MA in official military documents of the period and previous (Wehrpassen, Ausweisen scheinen, and some text, indicate "Matrosen Abteilung" or "Sailor's section" and "Marine Artillerie" or Naval (Coastal) Artillery as accepted meanings for the MA abbreviation.

Just thought I'd stir the pot for a change.

Tom

Rick K · 06-27-2001, 04:23 PM

BILL · 06-27-2001, 04:39 PM

Under "Technical Information" pages, here on this forum, there is a list of proof marks commonly found on Luger pistols. If you scroll through them there is an M over an A that is #40 on the list.

Rick K · 06-27-2001, 05:17 PM

Yes, I knew that, I just didn't understand what was meant by "august". I didn't know if it meant the month or the adjective.

Thor · 06-27-2001, 05:46 PM

That confused me too! PoorThor

BILL · 06-27-2001, 06:30 PM

I am assuming that since it is not capitalized that it is the adjective. The trouble with electronic communication is that you can't hear the quotation marks that most folks would use on the word "august". Adding the quotes might be mistaken for sarcasm (heaven forbid) so that is where mr.smilely-face comes in handy.

tom · 06-27-2001, 07:03 PM

Well, now that you all have (correctly) interpreted the lower case "august", may we please move on to my original point?

I think that the explanation of that M over A marking (Not properly a proof mark in any event) is incorrect.

Tom

06-27-2001, 11:17 PM

Tom,

It seems the M/A in the "proof mark" are more ornate than the standard navy proofing that I have seen. With the exception of the Crown/M marks on the 06's and the like, most navy markings are block letter stamps of simple design.

Why would mauser, or anyone else, depart from that practice?

FGR

06-27-2001, 06:52 AM	#1
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Proof Mark Controversy Proof Mark number 40 in the Proof Mark section of this august list states that the M over A is a Mauser rework mark. I submit that this is not likely the case for the following reasons: 1.Simpson had the principal rework contract during this period; 2. The initials MA in official military documents of the period and previous (Wehrpassen, Ausweisen scheinen, and some text, indicate "Matrosen Abteilung" or "Sailor's section" and "Marine Artillerie" or Naval (Coastal) Artillery as accepted meanings for the MA abbreviation. Just thought I'd stir the pot for a change. Tom

06-27-2001, 04:23 PM	#2
Rick K User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cochran, GA Posts: 305 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What is "this august list" please? (EOM)

06-27-2001, 04:39 PM	#3
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What is "this august list" please? Under "Technical Information" pages, here on this forum, there is a list of proof marks commonly found on Luger pistols. If you scroll through them there is an M over an A that is #40 on the list.

06-27-2001, 05:46 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: What is "this august list" please? That confused me too! PoorThor

06-27-2001, 06:30 PM	#6
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What is "this august list" please? I am assuming that since it is not capitalized that it is the adjective. The trouble with electronic communication is that you can't hear the quotation marks that most folks would use on the word "august". Adding the quotes might be mistaken for sarcasm (heaven forbid) so that is where mr.smilely-face comes in handy.

06-27-2001, 05:17 PM	#4
Rick K User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cochran, GA Posts: 305 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What is "this august list" please? Yes, I knew that, I just didn't understand what was meant by "august". I didn't know if it meant the month or the adjective.

06-27-2001, 07:03 PM	#7
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What is "this august list" please? Well, now that you all have (correctly) interpreted the lower case "august", may we please move on to my original point? I think that the explanation of that M over A marking (Not properly a proof mark in any event) is incorrect. Tom

06-27-2001, 11:17 PM	#8
fgr Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What is "this august list" please? Tom, It seems the M/A in the "proof mark" are more ornate than the standard navy proofing that I have seen. With the exception of the Crown/M marks on the 06's and the like, most navy markings are block letter stamps of simple design. Why would mauser, or anyone else, depart from that practice? FGR