e-bay holster

Edward Tinker · 01-27-2005, 02:48 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...508161093&rd=1

Some things about this holster just don't ring true...

A P08 on the rear for one?

The color and stitching don't look right?

Ed

Ron Wood · 01-27-2005, 03:17 PM

I would guess that, if not home made, it is one of the many odd variations of Bulgarian holsters that someone with a sense of humor has decided to jazz up a bit. For instance, maker marked "G. Holster"?!! Would that be "Gun Holster" or "German Holster" or "Goofy Holster"....etc.? I am no authority but I don't think they started marking Luger stuff with P08 until WWII, and 1918 predates that by a bit.

Navy · 01-27-2005, 03:32 PM

Actually guys, it is right in all respects. The Bulgars purchased many holsters from German saddlers. The P08 designation was applied to differenciate the holsters intended usage from the other side arms the Bulgars used, like the Browning 1903 and 1910,Roth Steyer, etc I have had several over the years and in fact sold one to a forum member some years ago.

Tom A.

Ron Wood · 01-27-2005, 03:39 PM

Interesting

Ron Smith · 01-27-2005, 06:02 PM

This is a forum member "Hessian". I bought my 1911 Erfurt with three unit marks from him. He sent me one of these holsters with it. They appear to have been dipped in a thick red dye, almost like paint. He is importing all kinds of stuff from the old Iron Curtain countries. He's an up front guy. I have known him casually for several years.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 01-27-2005, 06:24 PM

Well, I have dealt with this guy too, and he has treated me fairly and seems like a good guy. Just an interesting holster, and like you said Ron S., interesting stuff coming out of the old curtain, and like Ron said... interesting

Heinz · 01-27-2005, 06:59 PM

I have a 1910 (1911?) dated Bulgarian Holster on the same pattern. It also has the same tool pouch arrangement. A few pictures are on this holster forum under the the thread "holster???"

Ron Wood · 01-27-2005, 07:30 PM

Heinz,
Yours I can go along with. It looks like German craftsmanship. The holster in this thread looks like Bulgarian work. The irregular stitching is the principal clue. Could be legitimate, but I think I will stick with interesting. It doesn't appear that yours has the "P08" marking. I haven't seen a Bulgarian holster with P08 before...doesn't mean it is wrong, but it does seem odd. Wonder if Jerry Burney has any insight on this?

Heinz · 01-27-2005, 08:03 PM

Ron, mine definitely does not have the P08 marking.

The quality of themanufacture on mine is very good and consistent with the date and German manufacture but the leather appears to be "softer" or maybe thinner than the Imperial German holster with the result that there is some collapsing of the structure.

Interesting is a good word. I also await Jerry's input. I do note he has not bid on it :-)

lugerholsterrepair · 01-28-2005, 08:28 PM

No Gentlemen, I would never bid on this holster. Not that it's not authentic but it simply isn't my cup O tea. I would have to agree with Tom A. If he says it's authentic who am I to say otherwise?

I have not had the opportunity to study these to any extent. The construction is certainly Bulgarian. This never was a German design for a P-08.

I agree with Ron that the Name stamped into it is humorous.

I have said many times I know how to fix em but I leave the real expertise to fellows like Tom A. I am still a student.

Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 01-28-2005, 08:43 PM

Thank you Jerry. It remains interesting.

George Anderson · 01-28-2005, 10:23 PM

Though it may be of Bulgarian manufacture, it's still a P.O.S. Tom, surely no German sattler made that thing and who stamped the "P08" into it? Unless I am mistaken I think the "little slavs" like their neighbors the Russians use the cyrillic alphabet.

I think that this holster, like all the Iron Crosses and Waffen SS uniforms pouring out of the old "East Block" is a poor attempt at fakery.

Ron Wood · 01-29-2005, 12:15 AM

Interesting...Oops, I guess I already said that.

01-27-2005, 02:48 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	e-bay holster http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...508161093&rd=1 Some things about this holster just don't ring true... A P08 on the rear for one? The color and stitching don't look right? Ed

01-27-2005, 03:17 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I would guess that, if not home made, it is one of the many odd variations of Bulgarian holsters that someone with a sense of humor has decided to jazz up a bit. For instance, maker marked "G. Holster"?!! Would that be "Gun Holster" or "German Holster" or "Goofy Holster"....etc.? I am no authority but I don't think they started marking Luger stuff with P08 until WWII, and 1918 predates that by a bit. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-27-2005, 03:39 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Interesting __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-27-2005, 06:02 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	This is a forum member "Hessian". I bought my 1911 Erfurt with three unit marks from him. He sent me one of these holsters with it. They appear to have been dipped in a thick red dye, almost like paint. He is importing all kinds of stuff from the old Iron Curtain countries. He's an up front guy. I have known him casually for several years. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-27-2005, 06:24 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Well, I have dealt with this guy too, and he has treated me fairly and seems like a good guy. Just an interesting holster, and like you said Ron S., interesting stuff coming out of the old curtain, and like Ron said... interesting __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-27-2005, 03:32 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Actually guys, it is right in all respects. The Bulgars purchased many holsters from German saddlers. The P08 designation was applied to differenciate the holsters intended usage from the other side arms the Bulgars used, like the Browning 1903 and 1910,Roth Steyer, etc I have had several over the years and in fact sold one to a forum member some years ago. Tom A.

01-27-2005, 06:59 PM	#7
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	I have a 1910 (1911?) dated Bulgarian Holster on the same pattern. It also has the same tool pouch arrangement. A few pictures are on this holster forum under the the thread "holster???"

01-27-2005, 07:30 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Heinz, Yours I can go along with. It looks like German craftsmanship. The holster in this thread looks like Bulgarian work. The irregular stitching is the principal clue. Could be legitimate, but I think I will stick with interesting. It doesn't appear that yours has the "P08" marking. I haven't seen a Bulgarian holster with P08 before...doesn't mean it is wrong, but it does seem odd. Wonder if Jerry Burney has any insight on this? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-27-2005, 08:03 PM	#9
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Ron, mine definitely does not have the P08 marking. The quality of themanufacture on mine is very good and consistent with the date and German manufacture but the leather appears to be "softer" or maybe thinner than the Imperial German holster with the result that there is some collapsing of the structure. Interesting is a good word. I also await Jerry's input. I do note he has not bid on it :-)

01-28-2005, 08:28 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	No Gentlemen, I would never bid on this holster. Not that it's not authentic but it simply isn't my cup O tea. I would have to agree with Tom A. If he says it's authentic who am I to say otherwise? I have not had the opportunity to study these to any extent. The construction is certainly Bulgarian. This never was a German design for a P-08. I agree with Ron that the Name stamped into it is humorous. I have said many times I know how to fix em but I leave the real expertise to fellows like Tom A. I am still a student. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-28-2005, 08:43 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Thank you Jerry. It remains interesting. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-28-2005, 10:23 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Though it may be of Bulgarian manufacture, it's still a P.O.S. Tom, surely no German sattler made that thing and who stamped the "P08" into it? Unless I am mistaken I think the "little slavs" like their neighbors the Russians use the cyrillic alphabet. I think that this holster, like all the Iron Crosses and Waffen SS uniforms pouring out of the old "East Block" is a poor attempt at fakery.

01-29-2005, 12:15 AM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Interesting...Oops, I guess I already said that. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction