Deactivated

Roadkill · 12-10-2003, 09:42 PM

http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/deacpistols.html

http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/deactivated.html

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Ron Wood · 12-10-2003, 10:43 PM

I can't believe they deactivated a Borchardt. I guess it makes sense though, considering it is a weapon of mass destruction that can be easily purchased and has readily available spare parts.

Doubs · 12-11-2003, 12:47 AM

The Colt Woodsman almost makes me cry! To think that somebody would actually screw up a beautiful pistol like that... the first real gun I ever fired... when I was 5 years old. ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG!!!

John -Melb · 12-11-2003, 08:29 AM

My dear American friends,
You do not know how lucky you are, in Australia, deactivated (and replica) handguns are subject to the same level of control (and safekeeping requirements) as a modern handgun.....

Antique handguns that have any form of ignition system post-flintlock are subject to the same level of control as a modern handgun......

At the start of this year, my collection included a 1917 Arty, a 1917 P08, a Browning M10, a Mk 1 Enfield, plus about ten others. My Uberti Colt M62 Copy had my name engraved and the backstrap nickle plated as a engagement present from my wife (married 15 years last September, 2 Girls). All this stuff is now gone, my collection now consists of a pinfire, a .25 Auto, and a percussion pistol.

As for levels of armed crime, it continues to rise, and the anti-gun lobby continue to call for tougher laws on the private ownership of firearms, and the government continues to listen to them........ <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" />

John D. · 12-11-2003, 08:39 AM

They.. There.. One is... Waitaminute - I can't see through the tears..... THEY DEACTIVATED A KRIEGHOFF??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" />

Jon-Melb - thanks for your comments on what it is like in other parts of the world.... I find it so foreign to my thinking and beliefs - I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like..... And, at the same time - makes me realize just how treasured our "freedoms" are here, in the USA... Thanks for posting....

John -Melb · 12-11-2003, 08:44 AM

I forgot to mention, it is a very OLD .25.

John Sabato · 12-11-2003, 10:28 AM

They even deactivated a single-shot LIBERATOR pistol... only a very few known to exist...

http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/liberator1.jpg

John Sabato · 12-11-2003, 05:24 PM

Tac,

We are prepared to offer you asylum... but you will have to hurry... there are lots of folks trying to get in here... hurry before they slam the door shut!

Freischütz · 12-11-2003, 10:24 PM

I don't see how any fun or pride of ownership could exist after deactivation.

Perhaps Mr. Foley could explain why he retained the P.08 appearing in the Gallery? I would think that looking at it would be like salt in an open wound.

Edward Tinker · 12-11-2003, 10:39 PM

It is still history, non-shootable, but history.

I have thought of this long and hard, wondered the same thing. But to have it is better than to forever get rid of it.

It would be an open-wound, but time heals, at least a little.

I too would keep it, but would feel sad about it.

Ed

wterrell · 12-11-2003, 11:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> You do not know how lucky you are <hr /></blockquote>

No luck involved.

Hugh · 12-12-2003, 11:10 AM

<img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

karmast · 12-17-2003, 05:38 PM

In Germany gun law is also very strict, you need a special permisson to own guns and you only get this permission when you have a need of guns.

There are three different reasons why you are allowed to have guns:

-hunter (a really difficult hunting exam must be solved)
-sport shooter (you must be a member in a sport shooting club and have to train regularly)
-collector (you have a very small field of collecting weapons, for example only lugers from the german army 1914-1918, no other handguns. so trying to buy a -lets say- mauser, its not allowed. And to get a collectors permission you have to take a test from your collection field, its difficult, even it sounds easy)

But this is not enough! After having the permission you have to act in a very strict field, put the guns in an expensive safe, and so on. Its not allowed to carry them in any way.

So I can understand why people collect deactivated weapons, I collect them too, because its difficult to get a weapon owning permission and a lot of collectors in Germany collect deactivated guns..
And remember: its still a piece of history!

This from the home of Lugers..

Lugerdoc · 12-18-2003, 11:12 AM

Karmast, Thanks for the update on your current laws. It's unfortunate that so many pistols have to be modified by stupid laws that don't really protect any one, except from themselves. It would be interesting to see how many US collectors could pass one of your Luger collector's test. I miss our "quizs" from the early days. Anyone up for another one of these? TH

Henry Bucki · 01-07-2004, 05:34 PM

iF YOU CAN AFFORD IT YOU CAN OWN IT,GREAT PLACE TO LIVE

Edward Tinker · 01-07-2004, 07:18 PM

Henry, are we talking about Germany? UK? Or Georgia?

Ed

Stormfront · 01-23-2004, 08:12 AM

Here in the US many people collect deactivated full autos, due the the expense and paperwork involved in owning a live one. It is a shame so many beautiful lugers are being butchered and chopped up due to silly gun laws. How many lugers were used in a crime in the world last year Any??? I think everyone in the world should send their lugers to America for safekeeping. You can come visit them anytime you like

Brian

George Anderson · 01-23-2004, 11:12 AM

You Brits and Germans can actually come here and stay and drive cars and own guns but ya gotta learn to talk Mexican....Australians too.

Ben · 01-30-2004, 05:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by George Anderson:
but ya gotta learn to talk Mexican....<hr /></blockquote>"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges"

Thats's Mexican isn'it?

I'm a Brit and I've owned a few deactivated weapons including an MP44 and Thompson M1A1. I'd love to have a Luger though and so a deac it must be because I have absolutely no choice in the matter, that's the law.

Considering the huge amount of political pressure here to ban all guns including deacs,replicas,blank firers and even air guns, I think us Brits are still quite lucky at the moment.

But...if any of you yanks need someone to rent your spare room I'd be only too happy to oblige!

John Sabato · 01-30-2004, 07:20 AM

Hmmm, If all the Brit's who are gun loving folks would emmigrate here, that would strengthen our citizen ranks and abandon all the folks that are gun haters over there to deal with the criminals who haven't turned in their guns... that would sure convince them of the error of their choice to give up their rights as free men!

I am sure we could find you a place to live Ben... and if you have a marketable skill, a job would find you... It all depends on how committed you are to live the rest of your life as a free man... as I have told Tacfoley on multiple occasions... hurry before they slam the immigration door!

12-10-2003, 09:42 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Deactivated http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/deacpistols.html http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/deactivated.html rk

12-10-2003, 10:43 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I can't believe they deactivated a Borchardt. I guess it makes sense though, considering it is a weapon of mass destruction that can be easily purchased and has readily available spare parts. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-11-2003, 10:28 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	They even deactivated a single-shot LIBERATOR pistol... only a very few known to exist... http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/liberator1.jpg __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-11-2003, 05:24 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Tac, We are prepared to offer you asylum... but you will have to hurry... there are lots of folks trying to get in here... hurry before they slam the door shut! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-11-2003, 10:39 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	It is still history, non-shootable, but history. I have thought of this long and hard, wondered the same thing. But to have it is better than to forever get rid of it. It would be an open-wound, but time heals, at least a little. I too would keep it, but would feel sad about it. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-11-2003, 12:47 AM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	The Colt Woodsman almost makes me cry! To think that somebody would actually screw up a beautiful pistol like that... the first real gun I ever fired... when I was 5 years old. ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG!!!

12-11-2003, 08:29 AM	#4
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My dear American friends, You do not know how lucky you are, in Australia, deactivated (and replica) handguns are subject to the same level of control (and safekeeping requirements) as a modern handgun..... Antique handguns that have any form of ignition system post-flintlock are subject to the same level of control as a modern handgun...... At the start of this year, my collection included a 1917 Arty, a 1917 P08, a Browning M10, a Mk 1 Enfield, plus about ten others. My Uberti Colt M62 Copy had my name engraved and the backstrap nickle plated as a engagement present from my wife (married 15 years last September, 2 Girls). All this stuff is now gone, my collection now consists of a pinfire, a .25 Auto, and a percussion pistol. As for levels of armed crime, it continues to rise, and the anti-gun lobby continue to call for tougher laws on the private ownership of firearms, and the government continues to listen to them........ <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" />

12-11-2003, 08:39 AM	#5
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	They.. There.. One is... Waitaminute - I can't see through the tears..... THEY DEACTIVATED A KRIEGHOFF??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> Jon-Melb - thanks for your comments on what it is like in other parts of the world.... I find it so foreign to my thinking and beliefs - I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like..... And, at the same time - makes me realize just how treasured our "freedoms" are here, in the USA... Thanks for posting....

12-11-2003, 08:44 AM	#6
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I forgot to mention, it is a very OLD .25.

12-11-2003, 10:24 PM	#9
Freischütz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 125 Thanks: 9 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts	I don't see how any fun or pride of ownership could exist after deactivation. Perhaps Mr. Foley could explain why he retained the P.08 appearing in the Gallery? I would think that looking at it would be like salt in an open wound.

12-11-2003, 11:32 PM	#11
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> You do not know how lucky you are </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> No luck involved. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

12-12-2003, 11:10 AM	#12
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	<img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

12-17-2003, 05:38 PM	#13
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In Germany gun law is also very strict, you need a special permisson to own guns and you only get this permission when you have a need of guns. There are three different reasons why you are allowed to have guns: -hunter (a really difficult hunting exam must be solved) -sport shooter (you must be a member in a sport shooting club and have to train regularly) -collector (you have a very small field of collecting weapons, for example only lugers from the german army 1914-1918, no other handguns. so trying to buy a -lets say- mauser, its not allowed. And to get a collectors permission you have to take a test from your collection field, its difficult, even it sounds easy) But this is not enough! After having the permission you have to act in a very strict field, put the guns in an expensive safe, and so on. Its not allowed to carry them in any way. So I can understand why people collect deactivated weapons, I collect them too, because its difficult to get a weapon owning permission and a lot of collectors in Germany collect deactivated guns.. And remember: its still a piece of history! This from the home of Lugers.. __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

12-18-2003, 11:12 AM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Karmast, Thanks for the update on your current laws. It's unfortunate that so many pistols have to be modified by stupid laws that don't really protect any one, except from themselves. It would be interesting to see how many US collectors could pass one of your Luger collector's test. I miss our "quizs" from the early days. Anyone up for another one of these? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-07-2004, 05:34 PM	#15
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	iF YOU CAN AFFORD IT YOU CAN OWN IT,GREAT PLACE TO LIVE

01-07-2004, 07:18 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Henry, are we talking about Germany? UK? Or Georgia? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-23-2004, 08:12 AM	#17
Stormfront New User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here in the US many people collect deactivated full autos, due the the expense and paperwork involved in owning a live one. It is a shame so many beautiful lugers are being butchered and chopped up due to silly gun laws. How many lugers were used in a crime in the world last year Any??? I think everyone in the world should send their lugers to America for safekeeping. You can come visit them anytime you like Brian __________________ Brian

01-23-2004, 11:12 AM	#18
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	You Brits and Germans can actually come here and stay and drive cars and own guns but ya gotta learn to talk Mexican....Australians too.

01-30-2004, 05:24 AM	#19
Ben New User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by George Anderson: <strong>but ya gotta learn to talk Mexican....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges" Thats's Mexican isn'it? I'm a Brit and I've owned a few deactivated weapons including an MP44 and Thompson M1A1. I'd love to have a Luger though and so a deac it must be because I have absolutely no choice in the matter, that's the law. Considering the huge amount of political pressure here to ban all guns including deacs,replicas,blank firers and even air guns, I think us Brits are still quite lucky at the moment. But...if any of you yanks need someone to rent your spare room I'd be only too happy to oblige!

01-30-2004, 07:20 AM	#20
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hmmm, If all the Brit's who are gun loving folks would emmigrate here, that would strengthen our citizen ranks and abandon all the folks that are gun haters over there to deal with the criminals who haven't turned in their guns... that would sure convince them of the error of their choice to give up their rights as free men! I am sure we could find you a place to live Ben... and if you have a marketable skill, a job would find you... It all depends on how committed you are to live the rest of your life as a free man... as I have told Tacfoley on multiple occasions... hurry before they slam the immigration door! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*