7.65 BULLETS

Sieger · 11-07-2003, 10:22 PM

Luger Friends:

I'm interested in loading for the 7.65 Parabellum and need to know the variety of bullets commercially available for this caliber.

Who is making bullets and in what weights and diameters?

Which is the most accurate in our experience?

As always, thanks again!!!

Sieger

kidvett · 11-08-2003, 12:02 AM

Hi there,

7.65mm Parabellum.....a lot more accurate that 9mm in my book !! A 1900 AE gave me 1 1/2 in. groups @ 50 yds !! 9mm doesnt even come close....

Around here the only available bullet is Hornady 90gr XTP....You can try smooth & accurate loads like 5.0gr HP38 / W231 or for a real BANG : 7.5gr Blue dot ( carefull on that one ! ) W-W Cases & WSP Primers.

In all respect to other fine firearms, 30 Luger Cal. is a real pleasure to shoot & gives accuracy levels that few handguns ( old & modern ) can accomplish...

Just from my little experience....

Good reloading !!

Mark

Hugh · 11-08-2003, 01:17 AM

<img border="0" alt="[byebye]" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" /> Graf & Sons has Hornady .308 90 gr XTP & Sierra .308 85 gr RNSP. Old Western Scrounger has Hornady .308 86 gr RNSP & 93 gr RNSP. These are made for reloading the 30 Luger and Mauser. If you have a bullet sizing setup, you can resize .312 60 gr Gold Dot and XTP to .3095 for the 30 L.

If you will do a search on this Forum, I have posted some of my favorite 30 Luger loads in the past. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

Sieger · 11-09-2003, 03:55 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kidvett:
Hi there,

7.65mm Parabellum.....a lot more accurate that 9mm in my book !! A 1900 AE gave me 1 1/2 in. groups @ 50 yds !! 9mm doesnt even come close....

<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
Now Now!!

My 9mm is a pretty good little grouper too. Try 1' to 1.25" at 25 yards and 2.5" at 100 yards for an 8 shot group!!

The trick is not to load them to the point of near explosion!! In fact, somewhere between 975fps and 1025fps seems to be best for accuracy.

Thanks again for your loading info. I know I will also enjoy loading for the 7.65 Parabellum!!

Sieger

jaguar · 11-10-2003, 11:47 AM

Kind of an off brand but I recently bought two boxes of "FIOCCHI" 7.65 parabellum FMJ 93 grain for $20 per box. Made in Italy and they shoot just fine.

Jaguar

Sieger · 11-10-2003, 02:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jaguar:
Kind of an off brand but I recently bought two boxes of "FIOCCHI" 7.65 parabellum FMJ 93 grain for $20 per box. Made in Italy and they shoot just fine.

Jaguar<hr /></blockquote>Jaguar:

Thanks for your reply.

Did this ammo operate your Luger properly? Another Forum member has had problems with it in his Lugers, both Interarms and DWM. He has tested it and says that it doesn't approach the advertised speed.

I have ordered a box to try when I start my loading research for the 7.65mm.

Thanks again.

Sieger

Dwight Gruber · 11-10-2003, 10:50 PM

Jaguar and Sieger,

When I had a .30 P-08 Fiocci was too underpowered to operate the action. It works just fine in my shooting-quality 1900AE, in fact, anything more powerful is too much for the flat recoil spring (a new-manufactured relacement) and really cracks the toggle stop back against the frame.

If you got Fiocci for $20/box you got a good deal, I do't see it for less than $25-$28.

--Dwight

11-07-2003, 10:22 PM	#1
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	7.65 BULLETS Luger Friends: I'm interested in loading for the 7.65 Parabellum and need to know the variety of bullets commercially available for this caliber. Who is making bullets and in what weights and diameters? Which is the most accurate in our experience? As always, thanks again!!! Sieger

11-08-2003, 01:17 AM	#3
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	<img border="0" alt="[byebye]" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" /> Graf & Sons has Hornady .308 90 gr XTP & Sierra .308 85 gr RNSP. Old Western Scrounger has Hornady .308 86 gr RNSP & 93 gr RNSP. These are made for reloading the 30 Luger and Mauser. If you have a bullet sizing setup, you can resize .312 60 gr Gold Dot and XTP to .3095 for the 30 L. If you will do a search on this Forum, I have posted some of my favorite 30 Luger loads in the past. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

11-09-2003, 03:55 AM	#4
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by kidvett: <strong>Hi there, 7.65mm Parabellum.....a lot more accurate that 9mm in my book !! A 1900 AE gave me 1 1/2 in. groups @ 50 yds !! 9mm doesnt even come close.... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> Now Now!! My 9mm is a pretty good little grouper too. Try 1' to 1.25" at 25 yards and 2.5" at 100 yards for an 8 shot group!! The trick is not to load them to the point of near explosion!! In fact, somewhere between 975fps and 1025fps seems to be best for accuracy. Thanks again for your loading info. I know I will also enjoy loading for the 7.65 Parabellum!! Sieger

11-10-2003, 02:48 PM	#6
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by jaguar: <strong>Kind of an off brand but I recently bought two boxes of "FIOCCHI" 7.65 parabellum FMJ 93 grain for $20 per box. Made in Italy and they shoot just fine. Jaguar</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Jaguar: Thanks for your reply. Did this ammo operate your Luger properly? Another Forum member has had problems with it in his Lugers, both Interarms and DWM. He has tested it and says that it doesn't approach the advertised speed. I have ordered a box to try when I start my loading research for the 7.65mm. Thanks again. Sieger

11-08-2003, 12:02 AM	#2
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi there, 7.65mm Parabellum.....a lot more accurate that 9mm in my book !! A 1900 AE gave me 1 1/2 in. groups @ 50 yds !! 9mm doesnt even come close.... Around here the only available bullet is Hornady 90gr XTP....You can try smooth & accurate loads like 5.0gr HP38 / W231 or for a real BANG : 7.5gr Blue dot ( carefull on that one ! ) W-W Cases & WSP Primers. In all respect to other fine firearms, 30 Luger Cal. is a real pleasure to shoot & gives accuracy levels that few handguns ( old & modern ) can accomplish... Just from my little experience.... Good reloading !! Mark

11-10-2003, 11:47 AM	#5
jaguar User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kind of an off brand but I recently bought two boxes of "FIOCCHI" 7.65 parabellum FMJ 93 grain for $20 per box. Made in Italy and they shoot just fine. Jaguar

11-10-2003, 10:50 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Jaguar and Sieger, When I had a .30 P-08 Fiocci was too underpowered to operate the action. It works just fine in my shooting-quality 1900AE, in fact, anything more powerful is too much for the flat recoil spring (a new-manufactured relacement) and really cracks the toggle stop back against the frame. If you got Fiocci for $20/box you got a good deal, I do't see it for less than $25-$28. --Dwight