1937 holster question

tracyp · 10-08-2002, 04:14 PM

Here's a 41 Luger that's being sold with a 1937 holster. It has the P.O.8 stamped on the holster. I thought they were not marked until 1941. If so, why does this one have the P.O.8 on it?

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=5670502

John Sabato · 10-09-2002, 10:43 AM

tracyp,

this is only my opinion... and I am not a holster collector, but the holster looks like a repro to me...

While it shows some handling wear, there doesn't seem to be any stess marks on the top of the belt loops... and the belt loops don't seem to have a "crush" from being formed by being worn on a belt with the weight of a pistol in it...

The buckle may be genuine, but the photographs are not clear enough to make a judgement on that. The fuzzy photographs that accompany some auctions can sometimes be intentional... This collage of photos seems peculiar because the photos of the gun and holster are all fuzzy when looked at under digital magnification but somehow the photo in the right hand lower corner just happens to be sharp enough to see the maker's mark clearly...(a feat the seller says he can't make out)

I don't see anything in the auction ad about return privileges and that is a red flag for me when combined with a statement like ask all questions before you bid.

On the other hand, the byf 41 Luger appears to be a pretty nice one... It is your money... you have to decide how much it is worth to you to get this gun... I would get transaction conditions in writing, and ask for lots of clear photographs before bidding...

just my

Navy · 10-09-2002, 10:11 PM

have done buisness with Mr Addy before. He is honest but extremely sharp;ensure you email and get return priviliges.

My zwei pfenigs,

Tom A

Greg G · 10-11-2002, 01:57 PM

I'm sitting here at work semi-bored so I decided to get in on this, too. I looked at the pictures and I would have to call b.s. on his not being able to read the maker's mark on the holster himself. He doesn't commit to the holster's originality. He just says that it and the belt, "Looks like they could be original but I'm not an expert and not sure." He could have said, "Looks like they could be reproductions but I'm not an expert and not sure."

John Sabato · 10-11-2002, 02:20 PM

even without any digital photo magic my old eyes can see in this fuzzy photograph that the manufacturers name reads:

Schambach & Co 1937

Greg G · 10-11-2002, 05:09 PM

I agree, the lettering is so plain that I might not even have to use my reading glasses if I was looking at the actual holster.

George Anderson · 10-11-2002, 06:36 PM

I bought a super 1940 brown holster from this seller and the transaction was quite clean. One must always secure return options in these deals though.

Following the same string though, Sarco and others are offering repro holsters with period maker marks, etc. Has anyone ever collected the "marks" available on these repros? This could at least form the core of a "watch list" to help us all.

Pete Ebbink · 10-11-2002, 08:23 PM

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Thor · 10-11-2002, 08:46 PM

tracyp · 10-12-2002, 06:17 PM

I just didn't want to give his name. He should know the difference between an original and a repro. Some people will do anything to sell an item.

10-08-2002, 04:14 PM	#1
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	1937 holster question Here's a 41 Luger that's being sold with a 1937 holster. It has the P.O.8 stamped on the holster. I thought they were not marked until 1941. If so, why does this one have the P.O.8 on it? http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=5670502

10-09-2002, 10:43 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	tracyp, this is only my opinion... and I am not a holster collector, but the holster looks like a repro to me... While it shows some handling wear, there doesn't seem to be any stess marks on the top of the belt loops... and the belt loops don't seem to have a "crush" from being formed by being worn on a belt with the weight of a pistol in it... The buckle may be genuine, but the photographs are not clear enough to make a judgement on that. The fuzzy photographs that accompany some auctions can sometimes be intentional... This collage of photos seems peculiar because the photos of the gun and holster are all fuzzy when looked at under digital magnification but somehow the photo in the right hand lower corner just happens to be sharp enough to see the maker's mark clearly...(a feat the seller says he can't make out) I don't see anything in the auction ad about return privileges and that is a red flag for me when combined with a statement like ask all questions before you bid. On the other hand, the byf 41 Luger appears to be a pretty nice one... It is your money... you have to decide how much it is worth to you to get this gun... I would get transaction conditions in writing, and ask for lots of clear photographs before bidding... just my __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-11-2002, 02:20 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	even without any digital photo magic my old eyes can see in this fuzzy photograph that the manufacturers name reads: Schambach & Co 1937 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-11-2002, 08:46 PM	#9
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10-09-2002, 10:11 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	have done buisness with Mr Addy before. He is honest but extremely sharp;ensure you email and get return priviliges. My zwei pfenigs, Tom A

10-11-2002, 01:57 PM	#4
Greg G User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TX Posts: 65 Thanks: 15 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I'm sitting here at work semi-bored so I decided to get in on this, too. I looked at the pictures and I would have to call b.s. on his not being able to read the maker's mark on the holster himself. He doesn't commit to the holster's originality. He just says that it and the belt, "Looks like they could be original but I'm not an expert and not sure." He could have said, "Looks like they could be reproductions but I'm not an expert and not sure."

10-11-2002, 05:09 PM	#6
Greg G User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TX Posts: 65 Thanks: 15 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I agree, the lettering is so plain that I might not even have to use my reading glasses if I was looking at the actual holster.

10-11-2002, 06:36 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I bought a super 1940 brown holster from this seller and the transaction was quite clean. One must always secure return options in these deals though. Following the same string though, Sarco and others are offering repro holsters with period maker marks, etc. Has anyone ever collected the "marks" available on these repros? This could at least form the core of a "watch list" to help us all.

10-11-2002, 08:23 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	(Content Deleted by Admin, Sorry Pete, but I don't think we need to open that can of worms again...John S.) Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

10-12-2002, 06:17 PM	#10
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I just didn't want to give his name. He should know the difference between an original and a repro. Some people will do anything to sell an item.